dark_orphan Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 At first, I thought you had a really good point, and I still think you do, but do you think Carey, Ohio is part of the cannon that's been laid to rest? Or because Cindy has been tiptoed around it'll be allowed to continue forward with her? Wasn't the current storyline with Cindy, that she escaped the flames of the burning funeral home in Carey and found refuge in an orphanage in a nearby town? What if this new town has an old abandoned casino? What if Cindy is our key to the new era, almost like she helped us move on to a new darkness? Not that she will be at the event but merely that she moved the attention now to this new town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostAlice Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) Wasn't the current storyline with Cindy, that she escaped the flames of the burning funeral home in Carey and found refuge in an orphanage in a nearby town? What if this new town has an old abandoned casino? What if Cindy is our key to the new era, almost like she helped us move on to a new darkness? Not that she will be at the event but merely that she moved the attention now to this new town? I'm really starting to think she'll be involved somehow, especially with the presence of smoke and a charred hand on the website. It could be just a coincidence but when I think fire, I think of Cindy Edited June 29, 2011 by LostAlice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Wasn't the current storyline with Cindy, that she escaped the flames of the burning funeral home in Carey and found refuge in an orphanage in a nearby town? What if this new town has an old abandoned casino? What if Cindy is our key to the new era, almost like she helped us move on to a new darkness? Not that she will be at the event but merely that she moved the attention now to this new town? Official canon is that Orfanage was a prequel. She burned down the Orfanage and found shelter in the Caine family. That's why she died in Resurrection and (to our knowledge) is not currently alive. It does cause some questions regarding who burned the Caine house though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zokoke Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 At first, I thought you had a really good point, and I still think you do, but do you think Carey, Ohio is part of the cannon that's been laid to rest? Or because Cindy has been tiptoed around it'll be allowed to continue forward with her? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Albert Cane/ Cindy storyline took place in Noble, Georgia. At least that is what I saw on the building permit on the 2006 site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingBunnies Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 To be completely frank, I would not like to see Cindy this year. I would not like to see anyone we've seen before. I just want them to be put away, and not mentioned for a long time. For the sake of moving forward, they should build onto what they have and expand more. I don't see a connection between the casino and Cindy. I mean, you could make one, but that would work with and of the previous icons too. Mary could have escaped the mirror and now owns a casino. The Storyteller is just telling a new story. What I think, is that this is all new, and we won't see anything we recognize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 To be completely frank, I would not like to see Cindy this year. I would not like to see anyone we've seen before. I just want them to be put away, and not mentioned for a long time. For the sake of moving forward, they should build onto what they have and expand more. I don't see a connection between the casino and Cindy. I mean, you could make one, but that would work with and of the previous icons too. Mary could have escaped the mirror and now owns a casino. The Storyteller is just telling a new story. What I think, is that this is all new, and we won't see anything we recognize. You might a bit disappointed. No guarantees, but it's always a better idea to hedge your bets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallow Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Am I the only one who thinks tossing Cindy into this just seems... well, almost silly? I thought we were getting new characters? I like the Cindy character a lot, but for this theme to work she'd have to be much, much older - and then they'd either have to go the F.E.A.R./Alma route and make her decomposed and grotesque, or make her ultra-sexy but lethal (Howl-O-Scream style). The former could work with another character, but I just don't see it with Cindy. The latter should be left to the event mentioned. I agree with the frustrations over the lack of solid icon backstory. I still never completely understood what the hell happened with Jack. Or Cindy, for that matter - isn't Cindy dead if Screamhouse Resurrection to be believed? Bloody Mary became needlessly convoluted. We don't have any real backstory for the Storyteller or FEAR at all. I think The Director and Usher are the only two where we have some sort of tangible story. When the original Twenty Years of Fear teaser site went up last year, I saw the "Icons" tab and got excited - I figured we were finally going to get a concrete, fool-proof account of each of the icon's stories to prep us for the 20th anniversary. Instead we got a handful of photographs for a bunch of non-icons. Surely it can't be that hard to mull through the information out there and put out an official release, Universal? So, yes. No Cindy this year, please. Or have her appear, but not in a damn Casino. That's just a huge stretch after her death with the Caines. Not to mention the lack of connection between a pyro and gambling... --- Another point - regarding The Usher being a conduit, and the new icon being a conduit to The House. I really, really liked this idea with The Usher - much better than the thought of just the "evil theater" being our antagonist. But they only really toyed with the idea of the Theater being "alive" in The Usher's introductory monologue and I guess in the explanation of The Usher's death... it never really manifested itself anywhere in the event. There was no climactic "The Theater Is Alive!!" moment in Silver Screams or anywhere else. Not to mention that whole idea kind of went out the window when it turned out The Usher was a pawn for FEAR (ugh I hate this cannon so much) all along. So my point is, if they're going to try the Conduit again, don't hint at it once - show us that The House is a very real, very dangerous presence and our Dealer or Lady Luck is only acting as its agent. Finally, regarding Carey Ohio - the town wasn't known for its sewers, a Bloody Mary myth connection, or its schoolhouse - so I'd wager that if A&D wanted a casino to exist there, they'll make one exist there. Carey's kind of the creepy dumping ground location for scary locations. Plus, if Cindy's presence as rumored turns out to be true, it only makes sense that this casino is close to home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oysterhead00 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Am I the only one who thinks tossing Cindy into this just seems... well, almost silly? etc, etc,etc (I hate never ending quotes) I completely agree. Why go thought the whole reunion, VIP secrets revealed, everybody there if you're just going to take a Icon from years past??? I think that would mess up good will with the general public when you make this big deal about throwing everyrhing away and starting a whole new realm of darkness...and then just reusing a character the very next year. Doesn't make any sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonfalconking Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 But thinking of last year how its supposed to be a new generation of Horror...isnt Cindy the next generation??? i mean her dad was part of the old generation and usually at a ritefull age you are passed on the mantle of your parents...maybe this is Cindys year to rise and mark the begining of the next generation they put her in there as a nod to fans that knew about her, they could have just as easily had another kid do it and she was suppose to be the icon for 12 so she kind does count as the old in my opinion and how does a child of 12 in one years time go to 21 the next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Am I the only one who thinks tossing Cindy into this just seems... well, almost silly? I thought we were getting new characters? I like the Cindy character a lot, but for this theme to work she'd have to be much, much older - and then they'd either have to go the F.E.A.R./Alma route and make her decomposed and grotesque, or make her ultra-sexy but lethal (Howl-O-Scream style). The former could work with another character, but I just don't see it with Cindy. The latter should be left to the event mentioned. I agree with you totally there...i cant imagine this little girl dressed as a Showgirl..they would need to fastfoward and put her in her 20s atleast i mean everyone has seen movies about vegas and how those girls dress..lets just say at this moment she wouldnt cut it but we should give A&D time to see what they come up with....I do believe she will be the icon due to the reasons of my last post about her being the start of the next generation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mae Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Hey guys, Yup this is my first post but I've been following for a while and been attending HHN for the last 7 years. I just wanna say I love the atlantic boardwalk, speakeasy feel. And I would love to see a scarezone by the lagoon or even the jaws area playing up the boardwalk feel. Dave and I were just discussing how they could work Amity into the boardwalk theme, too. Let's cross our fingers... Welcome. btw!! Mae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 If Cindy was brought in, I would bet on it being a corporate decision rather than A&D. They're serious about wanting to do new things instead of always being tied to the past 20 years of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goo Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 But you have to remember that Halloween Horror Nights is known for it's unique and new themes every year.. I think Universal trusts A&D to do what they do best. As for Cindy, well I hope to God that she and all the other icons won't appear for another 10 years. I'm really tired of them. I want a new start! Fresh! No trying to tie new icons with the past or FEAR. Just a new icon, with it's own story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 When I first saw the update, I thought of Chicago in the 1920s with Al Capone and flappers. I really don't think that any icons will be coming back. They don't seem to fit, and Cindy has never been a mainstream icon any way. I highly doubt the average HHN attendee even knows her name, so I don't see why marketing would push it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 When I first saw the update, I thought of Chicago in the 1920s with Al Capone and flappers. I really don't think that any icons will be coming back. They don't seem to fit, and Cindy has never been a mainstream icon any way. I highly doubt the average HHN attendee even knows her name, so I don't see why marketing would push it. Thats exactly why they can either redo her story completely(highly unlikely) or continue to build her story...no one knows her name so they have a unique opportunity here to build the character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie_lovett Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Sorry if I confused anyone before with my throwaway comment about "Luck Be A Lady"...obviously its NOT that song, which I'm pretty sure wasn't a standard until the 50's. I'm trying to figure the song that is playing, however. Is it just generic music or is it a section from an actual song? It makes me thing of Benny Goodman. Any fans of big band recognize it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 When I first saw the update, I thought of Chicago in the 1920s with Al Capone and flappers. I really don't think that any icons will be coming back. They don't seem to fit, and Cindy has never been a mainstream icon any way. I highly doubt the average HHN attendee even knows her name, so I don't see why marketing would push it. Thats exactly why they can either redo her story completely(highly unlikely) or continue to build her story...no one knows her name so they have a unique opportunity here to build the character Reincarnation could be an interesting way to bring characters back in a different form... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronPaHHNFan Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I don't want to see Cindy or any of the old icons or storylines touched on. IF Uni is true to what was the main selling point of last year we won't see any of the old characters. I don't see how Cindy fits into what we know of the event at all. The only clue to her is the smoke which in a speakeasy or old time casino would be there from the cigarettes and cigars. I think we see an all new icon. I also think the icon will be female. Using the Amity area for a scarezone based on a haunted boardwalk of some sort would be awesome and is something I hope we see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieRocket Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I agree, i dont want any old icons there at all. But i cant help thinking about chance as a yummy cocktail waitress. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 On the top of the mobile site the color/theme is a blackjack table green. Has anyone else seen this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingMaster Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 If Cindy was brought in, I would bet on it being a corporate decision rather than A&D. They're serious about wanting to do new things instead of always being tied to the past 20 years of work. If it was a corporate decision, Cindy wouldn't be the one they would bring back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 If it was a corporate decision, Cindy wouldn't be the one they would bring back... Not necessarily. They might only want to bring back one recognizable icon this year, basically throwing her into the event for marketing purposes. The sad fact of the matter is that A&D does NOT have full control over their event; anything they do has to be approved by the suits in charge, and they can change whatever they like or mess with the budget however they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keosilver Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) I just wanted to throw out some more speculation. True it seems that the theme might have something to do with gambling. But what if it is a rouge? I know that in my study of magic that magicians have used stories of gypsies that curse gamblers for cheating etc. Such as in this performance by an acquaintance. Now everyone should know that Gambling can't be the central theme or over arching theme for all the haunts. Now what if that is changing now that a new era of HHN has begun? I propose the idea that our icon if there is an icon could be some sort of witch or gypsy. The other thing that leads me to believe that this could be a factor is that a mysterious "Rune Room" Has manifested. Now in New Orleans, voodoo is prominent and runes are used in divination. Another thing that can be found in New Orleans is riverboats, and casinos. Not to mention it was a bootlegger central, cut throat business was just a way of life. Edited June 30, 2011 by Keosilver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I just wanted to throw out some more speculation. True it seems that the theme might have something to do with gambling. But what if it is a rouge? I know that in my study of magic that magicians have used stories of gypsies that curse gamblers for cheating etc. Such as in this performance by an acquaintance. Now everyone should know that Gambling can't be the central theme or over arching theme for all the haunts. Now what if that is changing now that a new era of HHN has begun? I propose the idea that our icon if there is an icon could be some sort of witch or gypsy. The other thing that leads me to believe that this could be a factor is that a mysterious "Rune Room" Has manifested. Now in New Orleans, voodoo is prominent and runes are used in divination. Another thing that can be found in New Orleans is riverboats, and casinos. Not to mention it was a bootlegger central, cut throat business was just a way of life. Very few people (especially ones with some foreknowledge of this year's event) believe that EVERYTHING will have a gambling theme. However, the gambling-based theme is so blatant it's almost impossible to miss. Remember, the website is made more for the general public than the fans. While we'll speculate up to Doomsday and people will search every pixel for a hidden message addressed to the fans, the fact of the matter is that the general public is going to see casinos and gambling as major themes. They're going to play to that for the central theme. Now, that doesn't mean every house has to be based around gambling any more than every house in 2003 had to be based off of films. A&D likes to give us a good variety (notice how despite the massive "horror movie" theme for 2009 and the advertising based solely around film characters there were still several houses and scarezones that had nothing to do with movies), so the theme only has to be the general overlay to bring you into the world of horror. Even 2005 had two houses (Cold Blind Terror and Where Evil Hides) that didn't fit in with Terra Cruentes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keosilver Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Now, that doesn't mean every house has to be based around gambling any more than every house in 2003 had to be based off of films. A&D likes to give us a good variety (notice how despite the massive "horror movie" theme for 2009 and the advertising based solely around film characters there were still several houses and scarezones that had nothing to do with movies), so the theme only has to be the general overlay to bring you into the world of horror. Even 2005 had two houses (Cold Blind Terror and Where Evil Hides) that didn't fit in with Terra Cruentes. I'm well aware of this and what I forgot to say, mostly due to lack of sleep, what if we are going to an era where the houses have some sort of interlocking story line. Think about the horror anthology movies such as creep show or the newly released and wrongfully released as DVD only, Trick R Treat. In Trick R Treat the movie had a main icon character, he's on the front of the cover but he isn't the central character of every story within the movie. But he does interlock the stories together. Now think of each of the stories in the movie and turn them into houses and Zones, I think it would be more immersive as a guest if each haunt isn't too drastically different then the other's around it. Sort of like when you walk into HHN you are accepted into a world that is dictated by fate or lady luck whatever. She has a hand in everything that goes on within the park, it's her domain. Not to mention it would be a nice challenge for the creative team to do that sort of thing. Now I'm not saying be completely heavy handed in showing how lady luck effects each house, but just be subtle enough to keep a general vibe of perhaps dread that your luck may run out tonight. On another note, since the hand was dealt Ace of Spades and Queen of Spades, what if this year we see out first wife and husband or couple icon? A dealer named lady luck and some hitman named Ace, being very generic. I think it would be awesome if they do a Bonnie and Clyde type deal, since it takes two cards to make 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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