clipper6 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Murdy said one of his moral lines is true crime where the victim has living family. That concept would be hard to pull off with that restriction. I can respect that, although I think the tale of the pretty small town girl that moves to Hollywood to be a star and meets a grisly fate is one that is firmly embedded into our collective psyche and worth exploring. They can alter it so that it isn't directly connected to any actual victims. To some extent, horror does always take its inspiration from real life fears and anxieties. Even though we are far removed from the days of Jack the Ripper, old London is still a popular theme for haunts including HHN. A more recent example might be Gacy and the killer clown archetype. Another thing to consider: AHS season one had Elizabeth Short, season two had a character inspired by Ed Gein (who also inspired Norman Bates and Leatherface), and season three has a character inspired by Marie Laveau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridesandstuff Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I don't think he would mind for the sake of the property. HOTC had an Ed gein figure as well as a couple other serial killers if I'm not mistaken, so I don't think that would be a problem. Also, Marie Laveau didn't really murder anyone even though she's depicted as slightly evil in the show so I don't think using her would be a problem either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridesandstuff Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Btw I'll only accept More TWD if it's this http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RP1bv0q42e4&feature=plpp&p=PLBZcAIyPS3oejnCxRYyU4P_ADFqyzDhTL I might sound goofy (I will sound goofy) but I actually wouldn't mind a maze with a dragon puppuet done in an AWIL way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindhousehero13 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I can respect that, although I think the tale of the pretty small town girl that moves to Hollywood to be a star and meets a grisly fate is one that is firmly embedded into our collective psyche and worth exploring. They can alter it so that it isn't directly connected to any actual victims. To some extent, horror does always take its inspiration from real life fears and anxieties. Even though we are far removed from the days of Jack the Ripper, old London is still a popular theme for haunts including HHN. A more recent example might be Gacy and the killer clown archetype. Another thing to consider: AHS season one had Elizabeth Short, season two had a character inspired by Ed Gein (who also inspired Norman Bates and Leatherface), and season three has a character inspired by Marie Laveau. thats why Murdy said "Living Family" hence he won't do a maze based on Richard Rameriz or Charles Manson, and If they inspired the character thats different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I don't think he would mind for the sake of the property. HOTC had an Ed gein figure as well as a couple other serial killers if I'm not mistaken, so I don't think that would be a problem. Also, Marie Laveau didn't really murder anyone even though she's depicted as slightly evil in the show so I don't think using her would be a problem either. Clip was using AHS as an example of real life horror inspiring fiction, as he wants to see in an original concept. Not discussing if AHS could work as a maze due to the true crime inspiration, there's plenty of true crime inspired fiction already at HHN and year round Universal. I think the "girl moving to LA and there's a problem" story works for a movie, but as a maze there's not much there. Doing scenes all based on California crimes but not really actually California crimes would just seem disjointed and random. Either you're clearly doing stuff based on relatively modern crimes but just not enough to get sued (IE when cheap haunts use Jason but call him Slasher Classic Killer Man and have him wearing a black shirt and jeans) which would still cross Murdy's line or you end up far away enough from the subject matter that there's no actual theme. I do agree that all horror fiction is based on real life fears and anxieties, but that particular angle wouldn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clipper6 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I doubt anyone would think a Charles Manson maze would be in good tastes. We'll likely never see a Marilyn Manson theme either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Haunted Hayride and Great American Nightmare both had Gacy/Ramirez/Manson/Dahmer. Great American Nightmare even had a (close to) HHN quality recreation of the Tate killings. It was pretty intense to say the least. But they aren't run by Murdy or have the connection to a theme park. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clipper6 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Oh wow, did not know that. I guess what I meant is that HHN would probably never do a Manson or serial killer maze. Not just because of Murdy's beliefs but also because they are higher profile and would attract loads of bad press. Do kind of wonder whether or not they cut the Elizabeth Short character from a possible AHS maze though. Unlike Bloodyface or Kathy Bates' character, her name wasn't changed for the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Yeah, it was a borrowed theme from Nightmare:Killers in New York. Some odd casting, the guy who played the Son of Sam was really good looking. Not sure about Short. That's a tough call. Season 1 doesn't really have much to work with anyway. Even with wishful thinking I could only imagine season 2 and 3 combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniversalStudiosGeek Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) If it was Murdys last year it would be cool for a HHN Greatest hits maze with scenes from SAW, TCM, Halloween, LA Llorona, The Asylum, WTMN, etc. Edited November 7, 2013 by UniversalStudiosGeek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindhousehero13 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 If it was Murdys last year it would be cool for a HHN Greatest hits maze with scenes from SAW, TCM, Halloween, LA Llorona, The Asylum, WTMN, etc. you can't mix the properties thats why Freddy vs Jason has never gone into fruitation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferox Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 He tweeted a while ago that they don't like to mix the properties "even if they mix them in the movies." You could see him clenching his teeth through the tweet. This being (likely, things do change) Murdy's last year is going to make for interesting spec. CITW would certainly bring in more people than AWIL, but I know he'd rather do AWIL than CITW. He was going to do it 2012 but rights got in the way, and he passed on it in 2013...so you know that it's gonna kill him if he can't do it in 2014. Same with the unused Alice Cooper concept. I don't know if TWD will bring in as big of a crowd as it brought in this year (longest waits in HHN history were for No Safe Haven and it had the highest rated Terror Tram of all time) so there's going to be more pressure on having a supporting cast that can really bring in the crowds as well if they want to keep up the post hiatus streak of being more successful than the previous year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniversalStudiosGeek Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 you can't mix the properties thats why Freddy vs Jason has never gone into fruitation I know it would never happen but this is the wishful thinking thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindhousehero13 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 He tweeted a while ago that they don't like to mix the properties "even if they mix them in the movies." You could see him clenching his teeth through the tweet. This being (likely, things do change) Murdy's last year is going to make for interesting spec. CITW would certainly bring in more people than AWIL, but I know he'd rather do AWIL than CITW. He was going to do it 2012 but rights got in the way, and he passed on it in 2013...so you know that it's gonna kill him if he can't do it in 2014. Same with the unused Alice Cooper concept. I don't know if TWD will bring in as big of a crowd as it brought in this year (longest waits in HHN history were for No Safe Haven and it had the highest rated Terror Tram of all time) so there's going to be more pressure on having a supporting cast that can really bring in the crowds as well if they want to keep up the post hiatus streak of being more successful than the previous year. what would be another Power house that we have not used? Most likely Walking Dead will still bring in the crowds but not as much as the last two years since at least in my opinion it would be a stupid move to do Terror Tam Invaded again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridesandstuff Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Most of the people I talked to at school said either zombies aren't scary or they shouldn't use them again. Then again a few people don't account for the 1000+ that go to hhn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindhousehero13 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Most of the people I talked to at school said either zombies aren't scary or they shouldn't use them again. Then again a few people don't account for the 1000+ that go to hhn yeah the numbers don't lie, and even if they are not scary more people are going cuz they are fans of Walking Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsik_22 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 (edited) what would be another Power house that we have not used? Most likely Walking Dead will still bring in the crowds but not as much as the last two years since at least in my opinion it would be a stupid move to do Terror Tam Invaded again.With Season 4 raking in even more viewers than season 3, I would be willing to bet that it would still bring in a huge crowd, most likely even more than it did for this years event. It seems like a stupid thing to do to us on the forums but in terms of marketing, as long as Walking dead is mentioned in the commerical or billboards, it'll draw in thousands of fans. Maybe TWD on the terror tram again is best, because that would leave an open venue for a new property, while TWD fans get what they want. (Plus, we've always said as long as the tram stays with the same route, it'll always be predicatble and not as great as it first was in 07-09) so why not keep the highest rated tram in tact with some more additions. Edited November 8, 2013 by shark23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurseddragon Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I wouldn't mind if TWD only came back as Terror Tram. I've stopped enjoying it so much, but it was pretty good this year. But hopefully it's not the main marketing... Or at least not the only merchandise (Basically). I'm not asking for too much with that. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTH316 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I know this is wishful thinking, but I don't think TWD would come back only as the TT. I think we have to accept right now that this is going to return as a maze. The only safe thing to hope for is that it might not be the main marketing icon or major theme. Essentially all we're doing with this "I wouldn't mind it to return as the TT" is building up the fanvote for its return, but the fanvote doesn't count for negative things, so us saying we don't want another maze will go by unnoticed. Demand it as a returning maze, or else we're going to get both (ha, I say this like we matter). I highly doubt AMC will be okay with just the Terror Tram. I'm hoping they let the Terror Tram go to another property and work exclusively on the backlot experience. I think that feels more like TWD and has a lot more opportunities to be great. And personally, i'd love to see what they can improve on in that zombie apocalypse scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.HHN Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Don't get me wrong I love the walking dead and both of the mazes a lot. But The Walking Dead is like that popular kid you invite to your party to get more people to come if you don't have certain things. As long as TWD is at HHN we will probably never see Resident Evil or American Horror Story but the event will get more money and sold out nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsik_22 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I want the maze as a part of the terror tram, that's ultimate wishful thinking. Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridesandstuff Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Talked to my Korean friend.today who told me about this http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumiho it's a fox spirit legend like the Huli Jing one I posted earlier, except this is a little more scary. They can transform into anything usually a beautiful woman and will eat the liver or heart of someone. Apparently Japan has a similar legend as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero56 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Nothing game related is coming. Especially if it won't happen in Orlando and it probably won't next year( given what some people were told in the Lights on tour of the houses). The Backlot will return but in a different way, Blumhouse property will come ( no Sinister isn't 100% happening yet[it depends on the second film]) Wan might return and something special for Murdy's final year as creative director. If the Walking Dead is successful this season it will come back and you can thank Marketing for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightEdge Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 I have a feeling we won't get WD as a maze or terror tram again. I think Orlando will share AHS with us next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsik_22 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I'd be shocked If universal turns down TWD for AHS. I wouldn't be against that decision though. A maze based off of Season 2 would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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