Dr. Jimmy Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 if you find any more neat tricks to beat the house, share it through PMs. THEY ARE READING THIS THREAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 if you find any more neat tricks to beat the house, share it through PMs. THEY ARE READING THIS THREAD. Well, and don't post them on the Facebook page. That's kinda a biggie. As is the whole, "I have 20,000 tokens" thing... Don't think the game was intended to cause pay-outs that high. The point of the game is to create the house of cards, not score the highest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyfalken Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 That's more like it. They also appear to have made The Machine more difficult to complete. I think you have 1 or 2 less mistakes you can make before running out of water. I'm sure the Lady will be pleased with our newly-reduced chances of winning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam W Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Well, and don't post them on the Facebook page. That's kinda a biggie. As is the whole, "I have 20,000 tokens" thing... Don't think the game was intended to cause pay-outs that high. The point of the game is to create the house of cards, not score the highest. Why would they have leaderborads then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Why would they have leaderborads then? There's a difference between having 1,000 coins and having 20,000 coins. The leaderboard is probably just a bone so fans can see their name on the site, however I don't believe Marketing and A&D intended totals to get to level they did. It's gaming the system to do the refresh trick, and "raising the stakes" probably wasn't an intentional thing, but the result of coding that "adds 30 coins." The fact that they fixed it implies as much. While they may have had plans to something special for the top scores, the "cheating" could have potentially ruined it for everyone. It wouldn't be the first time that need plans were scrapped at the last minute because of how they were recieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallow Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 As one of the individuals who "gamed the system," I sincerely hope that my (and others') heavy participation in the games didn't cause some sort of reward for "true" top players to be canceled. Stumpy & I have actually been chatting about whether or not the "refresh" trick was a morally acceptable way of playing the game - I think we now have our answer that it isn't something they want us to do. I'm very glad they altered the code to make this sort of thing impossible. (Even though it means I'll be losing quite a few times in the new games!) Since I do know Universal is reading this - If my and others' use of the "refresh trick" has made it impossible to give a treat of some kind to the "true" top scores, please wipe my score and I would go ahead and say anyone else's who gets that high. (The problem being, as one might surmise, is that where is the line drawn - almost everyone on the leader board had to use the refresh trick at some point. Perhaps it's wiser to wipe the entire leader board.) Please know I never intended to "game the system" to ruin the fun for others or prevent any sort of prize to be awarded - it was always friendly competition and the desire/delight of seeing my name on the site. I felt my high score represented my heavy investment in Halloween Horror Nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Please know I never intended to "game the system" to ruin the fun for others or prevent any sort of prize to be awarded - it was always friendly competition and the desire/delight of seeing my name on the site. I felt my high score represented my heavy investment in Halloween Horror Nights. I wasn't implying that it was intentional, and with many leaderboards the only purpose of it is to invoke pride in your accomplishments. In all actuality though, the scores represent nothing right now. Simply playing and enjoying the game, and furthermore posting on fan-sites such as this, are perhaps even more representative of your investment in Horror Nights than anything else. Universal knows who the active members are already. The game is intended to be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyBulldawg Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I'm glad they implemented the penalty for attempting the "refresh trick". In real life, there is no "refresh trick" and it's impossible to "game the system" in terms of life and death. I think the games in their current iteration are the way they should have been in the first place. I guess you could say that those who did exploit the weaknesses in the "House" only made the "House" stronger and more vengeful (Cheaters lose 30 tokens) I might add. It just goes to show you...cheat or not...the "House" will always win in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 actually been chatting about whether or not the "refresh" trick was a morally acceptable way of playing the game Are we talking about a casino? Whose odds are always slanted in the favor of the House? Then of course it's a House that kills. "Morally acceptable" may be a very blurry line here. Cheat the cheater and all. But I do agree it wasn't fair. However, even with that method you still had a lot of chance and time involved and it's absence does slant the odds even greater for those who know stronger methods of manipulation... Then again. It's just a silly game and cheaters gonna cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 For the new WWI game (the Purple card) choose the left picture to enlist. The game is completely random but you have click the boxes holding up the truck. If you get 3 explosions then game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumpy Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 As the current head of the leaderboard, I also want to say that I didn't intend to ruin it for everyone. I enjoy competition and wanted to see how far I could go. Everyone else was using the refresh exploit, so I figured it was fine until Universal said otherwise- which they now have. Besides, it took considerable effort... I think I clocked over 20 hours to get 34,000+ points. They are welcome to remove me from the Leaderboard, I will understand, though at this point I think the fairest thing to do would be to wipe the whole thing and start over now that no one can "cheat". Off to play the new game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oysterhead00 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 It's a stupid online game...who cares? If this game was something that required SKILL and people were cheating by just bulk spamming and getting lucky, that would suck. But people who understand the coding have said it's PURE LUCK...so it's not like the "Real fans" or "Smart people" or "Honest people" were being screwed over in some way. The game is fixed, by it's very nature, so I say cheat all you can.....as long as you share the fruits of your labours here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HHNPicMan Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 It's a stupid online game...who cares? If this game was something that required SKILL and people were cheating by just bulk spamming and getting lucky, that would suck. But people who understand the coding have said it's PURE LUCK...so it's not like the "Real fans" or "Smart people" or "Honest people" were being screwed over in some way. The game is fixed, by it's very nature, so I say cheat all you can.....as long as you share the fruits of your labours here I'm not really disagreeing with you, but, there is another possible reason why cheating would through a wrench into the engine. This year, it seems that Universal has given away different types of gifts (free tickets, movies, etc.) to various lucky fans. What if Universal was going to give something to the top lucky few with the highest points? Remember, even though you cant see the email address of the people on the leaderboard, Universal can. i am willing to bet that Universal was going to reward the top few people. They did this very thing 2 weeks ago when they posted a Facebook post saying that the first 21 people who emailed a specific address would get free HHN tickets. Its all part of marketing. Since they obviously found out about ways to raise the point score, it may have screwed up their plans. So, on the face of the game, like you, I say who cares. However, if there was more meaning behind the scoreboard, then that would make it a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terra Guard Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Wow. I beat the WWI game on my first try. That was easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oysterhead00 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I'm not really disagreeing with you, but, there is another possible reason why cheating would through a wrench into the engine. This year, it seems that Universal has given away different types of gifts (free tickets, movies, etc.) to various lucky fans. What if Universal was going to give something to the top lucky few with the highest points? Remember, even though you cant see the email address of the people on the leaderboard, Universal can. i am willing to bet that Universal was going to reward the top few people. They did this very thing 2 weeks ago when they posted a Facebook post saying that the first 21 people who emailed a specific address would get free HHN tickets. Its all part of marketing. Since they obviously found out about ways to raise the point score, it may have screwed up their plans. So, on the face of the game, like you, I say who cares. However, if there was more meaning behind the scoreboard, then that would make it a different story. Oh, absolutely. If that were the case, they should "disregard" any scores that clearly indicate cheating/spamming/etc. They can do the math knowing the algorithms of the inherent chance of the site to see who simply spammed it and who acutally figured something out. The person who did it "legit" should show up as an anomaly compared to anybody else who simply cheated and did the refresh cheat. Anybody with an XX% increase over the field should be written off as "cheaters" and not be eligable for any contests. I didn't realize they were doing anything like that other than the "First 21 Respondents" thing from Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HHNPicMan Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I didn't realize they were doing anything like that other than the "First 21 Respondents" thing from Facebook. Yes. I found it on my lunch break at work. They posted it early on. I usually dont check FB and email until my lunch break. By the time I found it, they had already had their 21 people. However, Universal has been doing alot of this type of stuff lately. And, coincidently, its always the first 21 people, go figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 lost 3K on the WWI but finally got it Typically if the odds are IN MY FAVOR... I will lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimp0nd Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Ok as one of the players who used the refresh to great success I'll say this. It was my impression most people were using refresh and seeing as it was a game of luck not skill I didn't see the problem. Like others at the top that score wasn't done in 5 minutes it took hours of repetitive play to reach. It still took dedication. Now I took pride in that effort and when I saw others on here doing well too I thought it was kinda cool that the genuine committed fans were getting the reward of seeing their name top of the leaderboard. If universal didn't want people doing the refresh thing then they dropped a huge basic error. Unforgivable even. It was such an obvious thing to try in the circumstance that even if it hadn't been brought up on the forums I'm sure it would have occured to most of us to try. It's as obvious as if you switch the light on and it doesn't come on try changing the bulb. Fallow don't be so hard on yourself what you and I did we didn't do out of malice but friendly competition. That's my thoughts on the situation anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallow Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 To an extent I agree with Grimp0nd - only reason I feel bad is if there was a possibility of reward for "legitimate" players that can now not be given (unless Universal wants to reward the "refreshers'" dedication, but I don't see that happening). I was motivated only by dedication to HHN and my enjoyment of the friendly competition (again, Grimp & Stumpy have been chatting for the past few days about the game). At this point I'm just going to use my hard-earned tokens as a means to play the new games without being banned (even if I lose thousands at a time ._.) Either way, the work-around is now impossible, so it's a moot point. The game is pure luck now and for the most part the leader board is locked in. Stumpy seems to be our lucky/unlucky winner! On another note, I played the new game and won on my first try. How's that for luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cramer Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Oh, and for anyone who's about to waste their tokens to try other workarounds...don't. I attempted to close the window, and that of course showed the same results as a refresh. I then attempted to start on another game, and was docked the 60 tokens when starting that game. I went back to the original game that i closed the window on...and was docked another 60 tokens. Uni means business now. Glad that I have enough tokens to blow on whatever else they throw at us at this point, though. And man, "The House" just keeps coming together more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubby45 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 wow.. just played and every game was a 60 token risk... First time I had seen that and first time i had seen the WWI game was pretty cool though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWT Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I won the WWI game both times I tried it. As always it's completely random. Further, I posted it in one topic but I don't know if it was this one, all games have been raised to 60 token risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieman Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Hey, can someone please give a summary of the games that are currently on the website? I think there are 6 now? Please provide details as was done in the first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingBunnies Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Can someone post a pic of the current card house at it's fullest? I lose EVERY game EVERY time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_K. Posted August 13, 2011 Author Share Posted August 13, 2011 Hey, can someone please give a summary of the games that are currently on the website? I think there are 6 now? Please provide details as was done in the first post. Updated the first post, following your suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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