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HHN XXI Speculation


Mark M.

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While the cynic in me sides with Zombieman in that this seems all too obvious... remember that the clue "Classic" released months before 19 turned out to be pretty much what we expected...

I'd love a gambling/casino/fate HHN. As Legacy pointed out, the marketing opportunities are numerous - I can already visualize the site design, advertisements - there's a lot to work with. Not to mention cool possibilities for an Icon and an Icon House... (assuming they go the icon route and not the silly "general idea" trend)

Very interesting stuff. Looking forward to hear more from Emeric.

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Hell, if you want to tie it into Dungeons & Dragons you could use a medieval theme.

Though I think we may want to pay more attention to the Don Quixote connections. What else has that author done?

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Hell, if you want to tie it into Dungeons & Dragons you could use a medieval theme.

Though I think we may want to pay more attention to the Don Quixote connections. What else has that author done?

Then why bother tying it in to D&D at all? The general public would probably respond better to a general medival theme than, "The game that nerds play."

Very explanation into Cerventas might be warranted, but we already have a connection to Don Quixote and the number and game of 21 (or Black Jack).

Emeric's clues generally seem to be directed at a singular thing, but can be over-thought. If there was one thing hindsight with his clues has shown me it's that it's easy to get side-tracked in other thoughts. Thinking simply about them seems to get you closer to the truth.

A casino house? really? I don't know what they have planned, but I hope

it has somthing to do with halloween and horror , not some zombie dealing blackjack.

"A shopping mall? What the heck type of zombie movie is that? Are they going to be carrying Macy*s bags moaning, 'Sbarros...'"

Any place can be scary if done correctly. Dead Rising 2 takes place in "Vegas" and its casinos, so there is a current precedent. My gosh, A&D turned a water-treatment plant into a haunted house and had a vampire night club. Even movie theaters aren't traditional locations for horror.

Personally, I would rather see more of "Ghost Ship"-type storyline to a casino, where there is Death Dealer is racking up souls.

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A house set in Las Vegas would be so much fun, "What slays in Vegas, stays in Vegas".

There would be so many opportunities for clever inside jokes, tigers in bathrooms, being on a roof and your wolfpack can't find you, CSI, not to mention the ghost of Fat Elvis.

Oh yeah, Area 51 is not all that far away too....

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Scott, I would love a Phantasm house, but from what we have been told recently it seems unlikely that we will have any direct film adaptations in Orlando.

This has also occurred to me, what if the game Emeric is alluding to isn't a theme for HHN XXI but a reference to the game of Legendary Truth?

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Scott, I would love a Phantasm house, but from what we have been told recently it seems unlikely that we will have any direct film adaptations in Orlando.

This has also occurred to me, what if the game Emeric is alluding to isn't a theme for HHN XXI but a reference to the game of Legendary Truth?

Possible, but how on earth would Legendary Truth tie into dice?

I think the "Game" is a self-aware metaphor. A clue last month stated that game hadn't started yet and now we have a clue that implies the start of the game with what can only presume to be a clue ("...roll the dice and see what comes up.")

Interesting thought, having nothing to do with games or casinos: Dice is the plural for DIE.

I'm gonna give myself an aneurism before the second clue is even revealed...

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What is odd about this "clue"... That it isn't a quote from classic piece of literature. (Unless I am mistaken)

No you are correct, as far as I can find.

Another thought I have had is about the whole Fate scenario that was unused in 2005, it involved a different experience for guests each time as things would change based on your choices or the "roll of the dice" as it were.

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I have always thought they should have a "CHOOSE THY FATE" ending... even if it is just a random pick... I'm actually kind of surprised it hasn't been done. It would definitely increase house "replay"

Oh I was just thinking and I remembered the "dead man's hand"... and found this pic

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Another thought I have had is about the whole Fate scenario that was unused in 2005, it involved a different experience for guests each time as things would change based on your choices or the "roll of the dice" as it were.

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. The whole Fate scenario ties in almost to perfectly...

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EDIT Again - Geesh, one more thought. Remember that "7x7" rumor from a while back. In the game Craps, "Lucky 7's." So, "7x7" could actually mean, a plural of sevens.

I totally missed when you edited that.. you're right that is another fit.

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This would be right up my alley if it was a Casino/Gambling theme. I love Vegas. I would love to see them turn the entrance of the park into a facade of the outside of a Casino on the Vegas Strip. Kind of on the same lines as they did for Carnival of Carnage. This would be a refreshing change and something I think could work really well

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i think everyone might be jumping the gun a little bit

"Are you ready to play? Let's roll the dice and see what comes up."

by this i think he means that it time for the hints to start coming ahe wants us to come up with ideas nd by let's roll the dice and see what comes up, i think he means he wants us to come up with ideas and see what we get i don't think it has anything to do with a casino

sorry to be a buzz killer

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i think everyone might be jumping the gun a little bit

"Are you ready to play? Let's roll the dice and see what comes up."

by this i think he means that it time for the hints to start coming ahe wants us to come up with ideas nd by let's roll the dice and see what comes up, i think he means he wants us to come up with ideas and see what we get i don't think it has anything to do with a casino

sorry to be a buzz killer

No buzz killed, because I disagree. B)

If Emeric wanted to see our ideas for HHN 21, he could have just looked

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And it wouldn't take much of an imagination stretch to picture a "Casino" to be the signature house of the event. And it would be something we have never seen before.

We also have the last name of Black being routinely used pop-culture to symbolize human images of death. So

HHN 21

Roll of the Dice = Gambling (in some way shape or form, either games, for your life, or Chance)

21 = Black Jack = Cervantes

Stretches

Black Jack = Alluded to by the "Black" death in Catacombs

"Black Jack" -> Black = Death

Suddenly, I see an icon that is a Card Dealer who could be the personification of Death.

And cheesy marketing puns are a dime a dozen when it comes to card games and death. HHN 21: "Gamble for Your Life," "House Wins," "Everything on Black" (Roulette), "Hit Me..."

EDIT - Geesh, this almost seems too good to NOT be it. It's perfect. A logical connection to the number 21 in the card game Black Jack, an icon name in the name Black Jack, a world and theme stemming from the card game (gambling and a casino), an occupation from the world (a Dealer)... It's too perfect.

It also reminds me of the "Death Dealers" from when I was in basic training. I even did drawings of them as Grim Reapers that used playing cards to determine fate.

The symbol for a spade can even (easily and logically) look like the hood of the Grim Reaper...

Halloween Horror Nights 21: Place Your Bets

I suddenly can't imagine anything else more perfect.

EDIT Again - Geesh, one more thought. Remember that "7x7" rumor from a while back. In the game Craps, "Lucky 7's." So, "7x7" could actually mean, a plural of sevens.

Hahah, Good, you remembered the 7x7 quote I mentioned.. ;) looks like we are getting somewhere. Keep the speculation going guys, I like what I'm seeing.

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Roll The Dice...could be referring to chance, a risk, possibly even fate!!

As I'm sure you all know, there is such a thing as a game of chance, and yes...it could be played with dice. Probably someone rolls two dice and the players bet on what number will show up.

in a way we are all caught in a game of chance right now. Emeric has just rolled the dice and we are already putting money down on what the dice will show. as i said...it's the first day...nothing is set in stone yet. While it's quite possible that gambling, etc. could be the theme it is equally possible that the theme may not involve gambling at all. I'd put money down that chance plays a role in this years event in some shape or form, but likely in a form we would not expect. We all know that A&E is/are capable of great things and likes to play with our expectations...so expect the unexpected.

I'm inclined to agree. This quote from Mr. Belasco could mean anything. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a Casino of Death concept, but I wouldn't get too invested just yet in a statement that may very well be deliberately misleading in order to engender wild speculation.

Now, I could be wrong, I'm a newcomer to this site, after all. I guess I'm wondering, does Mr. Belasco make a habit of dropping subtle hints about the upcoming event? Or does he tend to throw a lot of red herrings, designed to fake people out so we're all surprised when we finally get what the theme really is?

Nonetheless, speculation is always fun and it's great to see the first rumblings beginning to take shape. I can't wait to find out more.

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this might be off topic, but, Isn't the Devil related with Gambling and Such? the rolling of the dice? I don't know Why I think of this relation between the devil and gambling, (and cheating as well)

like, maybe I saw something online, don't know but, I just have this image in my head

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Somebody has posted permits at another site for 8 houses in the same locations as the past couple of years. That is, if B79 is the parade bldg. and it seems to me it is. The guidelines and policies of HNN prohibit me to directly quote or even mention the person who gave me this info as he has been banned. The same policies prohibit me from providing a link to the non-HNN affiliated site where this has been posted.

Other than the number of houses and their locations there is no further info from the permits. Also I cannot fully account for the accuracy of this as the source has been known to be not 100% trustworthy in the past.

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Not that I buy into it, but just to feed the beast of the gambling theory...

The game "Jacks or Better" suggests TWO JACKS which in turn suggests the return of Jack and his even more evil entity - EDDIE!

I just had to go there.....sorry.

On amore serious thought - I certainly expect HHN to have their own verion of an "Alone" (i.e. upcharge) house this year. I could see how a gambling theme could easily fit into a house that would be by definition void of a conga line. As a very simple for-instance - there is a house in Pontiac, MI called Realm of Darkness. In the house, there are about 4 areas where you can choose your own path. Not exactly like HOS did in the Darkheart houses, but rather each time you choose the "correct" path here, you are given a gem. At the end of the house you trade in your gem(s) for a final set of choices. If you are correct, you get to meet "the Master" or whatever he is called and you also get back your admission fee. The overall chance of winning is around 50:1.

I could easily see HHN taking that sort of idea to the next level. If done properly, it could encourage repeat entries (although chances are overwhelming that an upcharge house would sell out days before any given night).

Dr. Jimmy, how can someone be banned for posting public permit info?

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