Legacy Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 If I remember correctly, there was also a victim in Saws and Steam... sorry, lol, just felt the need to be a smartass Oh yeah... that guy. I still don't know exactly why he was there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman875 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I guess they needed a reason for the barker to be there giving his speech to the people passing by. I don't know any other reason for him to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Jimmy Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Something totally stupid I had to post it. What if the icon this year was a Black Jack, Get it... It could be one of Jack the Clowns evil family members or something. I know this was dumb so don't hate... BOB the cat already made that joke posting a picture (which has now been removed) of Homey the Clown from the 90s TV series "In Living Color" on the wall of the official HHN Orlando Facebook page. I guess they needed a reason for the barker to be there giving his speech to the people passing by. I don't know any other reason for him to be there. He was there to serve as "eye-candy" for female and gay male guests! As I alluded to above, due to an unfortunate onslaught of pornographic spam posts, Universal has deleted all fan posts from the wall of their Orlando HHN Facebook page, leaving only their own posts and disabling any other fan posts for a temporary period. As a result a post I made there of speculation was also removed. I will thus post my speculation here: Recently I have heard from a fairly good secondary source who has been spot on so far this year, that they had heard that a house this year would be set in the second decade of the 20th Century. That is between the years 1910 - 1919. This time period includes the First World War. It suddenly occurred to me that this was the first war in which aerial combat and dogfights played a major role. The flyers who made many kills in this war were the first to be given the name "Aces". I do not know if there is any real connection or not, BUT could our Ace of Spades then represent an actual World War I Flying Ace??? The greatest Ace of that war was Manfred von Richtofen, the notorious Red Baron, who flew in a blood-red Fokker Triplane accompanied by his squadron's brightly colored planes dubbed 'The Flying Circus" He shot down 80 planes making him, as I said, the greatest Ace of the Great War, until he himself met his demise on 21 April 1918 when his own plane was shot down. Officially British Flyer Arthur Brown piloting a Sopwith Camel shot down the bloody Red Baron, but there remains some controversy over this. Could a Dead Red Baron appear at HHN 21 as an important figure, perhaps even an Iconic representation of Death as the Ace of Spades personified? One more note, there is already a Halloween connection to the Red Baron, although it is light-hearted and humorous. Snoopy famously sat on his doghouse and imagined it to be a British Sopwith Camel and engaged in "battle" with the Red Baron in the classic Halloween Television Special "It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown". It would be amusing to see, IF there is a WWI themed house featuring the Baron, some little tribute to this - perhaps a dead beagle somewhere in the house!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeart666 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) Where? I only see the word once and it's not capitalized. I wouldn't think it's out of the ordinary unless it's not in a title or tagline. ORLANDO, Fla. (June 28, 2011) — They say, “To wait for luck is the same as waiting for death.” Are you waiting for Luck? EDIT-- I found it at http://www.horrornightnightmares.com/2011/06/your-fate-awaits/ Edited July 5, 2011 by ColdHeart666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohrin Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) In the imagery used, the Queen of Spades is holding a dagger, where on actual cards, the Queen of Spades is holding a rose. Just something might worth looking into. I think that is something we really should look into. I have never seen an Ace with a skull on it, but that probably exists. But to have the Queen of Spades with a dagger is peculiar. Here's a cool little idea. The only cards in a deck holding a dagger would be the king. What if the Queen killed her husband? The knife being evidence of murder and the taking over of position... Maybe she was a murderer who wanted her husbands things, "greedy". Perfect for gambling... I dunno I was just thinking randomly. But has anyone ever thought of "death" as a female figure? Universal would be the one to pull that off haha. Upon closer inspection I will note that the Queen also has red hair, which is atypical and she has a grim smirk as well, as if she has pressed her luck. I would link a picture, but I am not apt with computers. Please go ahead and look at the Queen yourself, she just doesn't look like the typical Queen. Hopefully there is some significance to this. Edited July 5, 2011 by Sohrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) I'm still not buying into the "queen" being the icon as it just doesn't make sense to me and there is no evidence but a few cards on a splash screen. But the Dagger is curious. Pictoral Evolution of cards. Queen of spades only queen to hold a sceptre, which has changed shape after being cut in half by the frame. The cutoff version could be misconstrude even further as a dagger handle. I find it interesting BUT consider these exibits: These are from '08. We've already had a queen of hearts used extensively in the event and how does a queen make any sense as an icon with a vegas feel from the 10's - 30's? I can see this just symbolizing the actual icon... but then you have to take into account the death spade. Multiple icons seems really convoluted. But perhaps the icon is female, considers herself queen, and deals death. ... or it was just a cool graphic to use. Either way a literal queen of spades doesn't fit the realistic world of an old casino without really stretching (i.e. a crazy lady who dress like the queen of spades). But I guess if you stretch enough you can fit anything... it just becomes laughable. Edited July 5, 2011 by JWFearman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Also there is a skull and crossbones on the ace so i guess i had to bring that to attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) Also there is a skull and crossbones on the ace so i guess i had to bring that to attention... Hence why I said "Death Spade". But the ace of Spade has been portrayed death many times. The queen with a dagger I have never seen. A spade associates wth death often: From Wiki US troops believed that Vietnamese traditions held the symbolism of the spade to mean death and ill-fortune and in a bid to scare away NLF soldiers without firefight, it was common practice to leave an ace of spades on the bodies of killed Vietnamese and even to litter the forested grounds and fields with the card. Edited July 5, 2011 by JWFearman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizz Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I'm still not buying into the "queen" being the icon as it just doesn't make sense to me and there is no evidence but a few cards on a splash screen. But the Dagger is curious. Pictoral Evolution of cards. Queen of spades only queen to hold a sceptre, which has changed shape after being cut in half by the frame. The cutoff version could be misconstrude even further as a dagger handle. I find it interesting BUT consider these exibits: These are from '08. We've already had a queen of hearts used extensively in the event and how does a queen make any sense as an icon with a vegas feel from the 10's - 30's? I can see this just symbolizing the actual icon... but then you have to take into account the death spade. Multiple icons seems really convoluted. But perhaps the icon is female, considers herself queen, and deals death. ... or it was just a cool graphic to use. Either way a literal queen of spades doesn't fit the realistic world of an old casino without really stretching (i.e. a crazy lady who dress like the queen of spades). But I guess if you stretch enough you can fit anything... it just becomes laughable. Jeramy, I think you are thinking of the "queen" too literally. Think not of the Queen of Spades as an icon, but think of what the card represents. Also - take note of her appearance, the dagger included. This is obviously a clue, as she's not just your average Queen of Spades. Also, hopefully this isn't too out of line, but seriously people - please do us all a favor and read back on the pages of spec you missed before posting! I feel like we've been just repeating concepts and ideas ever since the website updated because people aren't catching up on spec before sharing their ideas. It gets frustrating to just walk around in circles because the ideas aren't being built upon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizz Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 BOB the cat already made that joke posting a picture (which has now been removed) of Homey the Clown from the 90s TV series "In Living Color" on the wall of the official HHN Orlando Facebook page. He was there to serve as "eye-candy" for female and gay male guests! As I alluded to above, due to an unfortunate onslaught of pornographic spam posts, Universal has deleted all fan posts from the wall of their Orlando HHN Facebook page, leaving only their own posts and disabling any other fan posts for a temporary period. As a result a post I made there of speculation was also removed. I will thus post my speculation here: Recently I have heard from a fairly good secondary source who has been spot on so far this year, that they had heard that a house this year would be set in the second decade of the 20th Century. That is between the years 1910 - 1919. This time period includes the First World War. It suddenly occurred to me that this was the first war in which aerial combat and dogfights played a major role. The flyers who made many kills in this war were the first to be given the name "Aces". I do not know if there is any real connection or not, BUT could our Ace of Spades then represent an actual World War I Flying Ace??? The greatest Ace of that war was Manfred von Richtofen, the notorious Red Baron, who flew in a blood-red Fokker Triplane accompanied by his squadron's brightly colored planes dubbed 'The Flying Circus" He shot down 80 planes making him, as I said, the greatest Ace of the Great War, until he himself met his demise on 21 April 1918 when his own plane was shot down. Officially British Flyer Arthur Brown piloting a Sopwith Camel shot down the bloody Red Baron, but there remains some controversy over this. Could a Dead Red Baron appear at HHN 21 as an important figure, perhaps even an Iconic representation of Death as the Ace of Spades personified? One more note, there is already a Halloween connection to the Red Baron, although it is light-hearted and humorous. Snoopy famously sat on his doghouse and imagined it to be a British Sopwith Camel and engaged in "battle" with the Red Baron in the classic Halloween Television Special "It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown". It would be amusing to see, IF there is a WWI themed house featuring the Baron, some little tribute to this - perhaps a dead beagle somewhere in the house!!! Very interesting, Dr. Jimmy. Legacy and I caught your hint at the 1910s decade and were researching possible ideas last week. We did not follow far enough down the rabbit hole, it seems. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Jeramy, I think you are thinking of the "queen" too literally. Think not of the Queen of Spades as an icon, but think of what the card represents. Also - take note of her appearance, the dagger included. This is obviously a clue, as she's not just your average Queen of Spades. Also, hopefully this isn't too out of line, but seriously people - please do us all a favor and read back on the pages of spec you missed before posting! I feel like we've been just repeating concepts and ideas ever since the website updated because people aren't catching up on spec before sharing their ideas. It gets frustrating to just walk around in circles because the ideas aren't being built upon! and that is why I said: I can see this just symbolizing the actual icon. But many people are posting on here an Actual Queen of Spades as the icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronPaHHNFan Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 and that is why I said: But many people are posting on here an Actual Queen of Spades as the icon. I think there will be a female icon but like you I'm not sure it will actually be the queen of spades. More so I think the queen of spades is just a representation of there being a female icon. I'm also not sold on there being 2 icons although I do like that idea and may actually be a bit disappointed if there is only 1 at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizz Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 and that is why I said: But many people are posting on here an Actual Queen of Spades as the icon. No I was just giving an example. As has already been stated the spade itself and its orientation imply ending, change, and death. Yeah, I know people have been reading the Queen card literally, just trying to point you in the "right" direction because I think you'll catch on. I don't think the queen or the word queen has anything to do with an icon. But I do think that both cards represent concepts which will be used this year... perhaps for dual purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 They're asking if people can speak Spanish during auditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonfalconking Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 They're asking if people can speak Spanish during auditions. maybe a fellow up to Esqueleto Muerte? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBear Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 maybe a fellow up to Esqueleto Muerte? Maybe a spanish monastery or the great plaque of seville theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonfalconking Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Maybe a spanish monastery or the great plaque of seville theme? i like the the great plaque of seville idea but not as a house maybe a scarezone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oysterhead00 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) I think that is something we really should look into. I have never seen an Ace with a skull on it, but that probably exists. But to have the Queen of Spades with a dagger is peculiar. That's actually quite popular: http://cellphonebot.com/less-than-10/premium-black-and-silver-ace-skull-spade-design-rubberized-shield-hard-case-cover-atom-led-keychain-light-for-samsung-galaxy-prevail-boost-mobile-14569 http://peperonity.com/go/media/16582996!3 http://www.greatleathers.com/motorcycle-helmets/hawk-helmets/advanced-hawk-ace-skull-modular-dual-visor-full-face-motorcycle-helmet.html A quick google image search of Ace Spades Skull results in nearly 300,000 hits. A regular google search turns up 1.3 MILLION hits. I've seen it quite a bit including an awesome custom chopper in Myrtle Beach for Biker Week a few years ago....have to see if I can track down that picture.... ------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT - can't find the Ace of Spades bike, but found some pix I took of some pretty cool "horror" related bikes. The Ace of Spades bike was Black and Silver and pretty awesome. Have to track down the pictures, but I know the light reflecting off the silver made the photo washed out so I must not have uploaded it (The price of that bike: ) Nothing horror related, but just a cool shot: Edited July 6, 2011 by Oysterhead00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M. Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 Thanks everyone for being patient with us while we cleaned up this thread a bit. Keep in mind while the Staff and the Moderators try to keep things under control, some stuff will get by us. This topic gets a LOT of traffic and posts and we will be more on top of things from this point forward. Please refrain from posting "false" information just to try and lead people in the wrong direction. If you have legit information by all means post it and discuss it. Again, we have newer members here that haven't been around as long as some of us and may not know the current members who are more in the "know" or have decent information regarding the event. For the newer members, here are some names of the more respected members in the HHN community on the forums that frequent this thread. Dr. Jimmy JWFearman Legacy Sinister I may of missed some of you, and probably will add some names. Sorry if I did. Try not to post one word/line comments, anything that is off topic or isn't part of speculation will be removed. Keep all discussion about the website and updates in the website thread. Also, please DO NOT be rude to one another, let this be fun and enjoyable for all. Thanks! Speculate on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Maybe we should check out the meaning of the ace if spades in diffrent cultures....i mean the symbol is universal and used everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I think that's overthinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e z_e Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Also it doesn't make a difference I'm sure but they were asking people if they'd be okay with false teeth, which is a common audition question. I figured I'd share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallow Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I think at that point we're grasping at straws. We have discerned all we're going to discern for now. We've got two cards, which could mean two icons, a gambling/fate theme, a possible time period, the "death card," and queen of spades. Let's not get too crazy and see things that aren't there. With any luck we'll have a new update to speculate on soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Maybe we should check out the meaning of the ace if spades in diffrent cultures....i mean the symbol is universal and used everywhere I think that's overthinking it. I know he's over-thinking it. I think a lot of people are over-processing the clues. WWI pilots... that's definitely going too far. There is symbolism in the cards, absolutely, and I have already stated (although I have to double check to see if the post is still here) who I am 95% certain the icons are... and it's right there in the cards. (And because I've already stated it, I see no need to dig for it myself... ) Remember from the recap I posted: The farewell was for the icons. Not all of the characters we know of were icons. And one other tip for those who can figure it out: What if A&D tipped their hand last year? I'll admit I disregarded it... but it's highly probable at this point. And I gave you another gambling hint. Even Emeric's quotes start making sense when you put them in the right context... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 And just for posterity, I'll bring this back up since it's still seven pages deep now... Speculation Recap Okay, I want to recap some of the general thoughts, rumors and speculation from the previous (long) thread so that people don't have to read through 70 pages to catch-up. This is what I remember being discussed, and includes recent speculation and thoughts that result from the launch of the teaser site. Hopefully, this can help cut back on a lot of the repetitious spec from people who don't really follow what's going on during the off-season. It might even allow people to revisit previous thoughts. It does include Construction-based information, because we're getting to the point where it all starts merging together... What we know for sure– The entrance for the Sprung 2 house (Havoc) is where the exit normally is, meaning we have different crowd flow coming out of that house than in the past. The façade for Jaws is built further out than normal (and is getting a true façade). Sprung 1’s Room #8 is known in the permits as the “Rune Room.” Three of the houses have some sort of overhang requiring sprinklers to be installed (possible a ceiling or “Up-Scares”). None of the previous Icons are returning. There are at least 8 houses and 6 Scarezones (they’re not cutting back). The font of the website can be seen in HBO’s “Boardwalk Empire.” What we can deduce – Gambling/Games is/are the predominate theme this year. The time period and location of the icon is the Big-Band (1920’s-30’s) and probably NOT Vegas. We are having some sort of “Casino/Gambling” house this year. … And that’s all we can really deduce so far from the site… What we know isn’t happening – We aren’t getting a literature-based event this year. Major Rumors and Spec (Not confirmed) The Parade Building may be getting a second house. That would mean 9 houses would be built. The 9th house could be either an Up-Charge “Alone” styled house or simply a 9th house. “Death” will play a major part this year (stems from a perceived clue from Catacombs last year). General Thoughts and Spec Not all of the characters we know from the past were actually Icons, which means people (Monsters? Spirits? Zombies?) may come back. The Queen of Spades has a dagger and red hair… take that for what it’s worth. The Ace of Spades is known as the “Death Card.” Not all the houses and scarezones have to tie in with the theme. It takes two cards to hit 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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