LegendaryTruth - The Collective

[TheEyeOfHorus]

i had my suspicions about Julian

[cwoolboy]

Okay, I contacted Ms. Himmel to get some clarification on the Portametus and the Lantern. There is an aspect of her response that I find really interesting and eye-opening.

Original Message -

"There seems to be some confusion among the Collective regarding the different items that were discussed during the conference on Wednesday. We understand the Device is missing, presumably in the possession of the Spirit Seekers however, the Lantern and Portametus have become a bit cloudy. Is the Portametus the image that the Collective put together or is the Lantern itself the Portametus, with the image being a, "key," of sorts, to the gateway/portal.

I would just like to clear this up so the Collective can refocus with a more direct, and clear, understanding of what has happened."

Reply -

"Jeffrey, yes there does some to be some unnecessary confusion. We've instructed Mr. Gordon to post a summary to clear this up. As of now, the Portametus is clearly an instrument of metamorphasis. Beyond that, I must defer to the C.I.L. for analysis.

IH"

Emphasis mine.

I guess that maybe the Lantern is transformed into Fear then??? God, I've never been this confused concerning HHN until now. GIVE US A STRAIGHT ANSWER DAMNIT!!!

[Bsquare]

Note that she said "an INSTRUMENT of metamorphosis", as in causing something other than itself to metamorphose.

I honestly think I may be onto something. I imagine seeing the icons onstage, their expressions grave. The lantern flares up brightly, smoke, light, sound, pyro, lasers, small furry animals flying about and so forth happens and then BANG the icons are gone and FEAR stands in their place. I can totally see that.

[TheEyeOfHorus]

the lantern is fear and fear is the lantern.

[TeenageHorror]

Note that she said "an INSTRUMENT of metamorphosis", as in causing something other than itself to metamorphose.

I honestly think I may be onto something. I imagine seeing the icons onstage, their expressions grave. The lantern flares up brightly, smoke, light, sound, pyro, lasers, small furry animals flying about and so forth happens and then BANG the icons are gone and FEAR stands in their place. I can totally see that.

Small fury animals? When did we start doing animal sacrifices? Its much more humane to sacrifice small children.. right?

Casey

[cwoolboy]

Bsquare may have a point there. I'd rather have them be sacrificed than turn into fear though...just me. ( No offence B )

Edited September 4, 2010 by cwoolboy

[Mae]

I'll just say "Hi, Charles!"

I kid.

Maybe it's the Bloody Marys (I'm up to 3 now) but I just had another theory form. I'm kind of rambling, I know, so feel free to skip this and go back to the bickering if you like, I won't mind. Bickering is fun.

Earlier in some other thread, somewhere, I remember someone speculating about just exactly how the 5 Icons would be used along with the main Icon FEAR. HIs idea was that the icons would be captured and sacrificed...which is pretty cool...but we both ended up agreeing that they would end up being nothing more than minions to the big bad, a position that would diminish their icon status considerably.

But what if...what if instead of serving FEAR, or being sacrificed into some sort of magical flame to bring forth FEAR...what if the 5 icons ARE FEAR? What if, somehow, FEAR had been split into these 5 beings, each very powerful in his or her own right, but each only a shadow of the whole? What if the power of the Portamentus is not to create a gateway to another world...remember Aiello (I think) specifically stated that FEAR had ALWAYS been with them...but to actually somehow physically merge the icons into one single being?

We've heard again and again that we would be seeing the icons at HHNXX in a way they've never been seen before...and this sure as shit would qualify.

Or...maybe I've had too much to drink. Goodnight, Mrs. Calabash.

Horcruxes? Fear is Lord Voldemort!!!!

We all wondered if Harry Potter would affect the event....

Mae

[Shadow Creek]

Horcruxes? Fear is Lord Voldemort!!!!

We all wondered if Harry Potter would affect the event....

Mae

I hope we don't see HP at HHN anytime soon..

[Voorhees]

So, I think it is safe to say that once the five icons were officially put in place and the Collective finally pieced together the photographs to form the portametus, the lantern literally metamorphosized into FEAR himself. Don't we have evidence that this did happen? The official commercial shows a security guard in the Universal A&D warehouse being attacked by the flame that is unleased from the lantern; FEAR himself is ready to take on HHN.

LT had been trying to piece together the photographs and when cell director Ryan Richard (assumed to be the guy from the video survaillance image) succeeded, he and Thorncastle disappeared with the Device. His Device (along with the portametus?) may be needed to capture FEAR and end his reign of terror. Don't we know that Richard had possession (or at least knowledge) of the Device since he is a Spirit Seeker and it was being used in the Wynadot investigation. Maybe the Device was removed from the estate and these two men disappeared with it. After all, Thorncastle did have a truck that could hold the Device and any co-conspirators. I don't know much about Goth Wackee, but perhaps TJ is not cooperating on this issue becuase he cannot disclose any information on her since she is Thorncastle's co-conspirator who used to work for Universal's A&D. After all, someone had to have access to the lantern to bring it to Richard in the first place, right? After FEAR was initially released and the three co-conspirators fled, the lantern (along with Richard's belongings less the diary, which he took) was shipped to the LT lab in Princeton for analysis. How will it get back to the event? Or is it no longer needed since Thorncasle, Richard, and Goth Wackee have FEAR captured in the Device?

Bottom line, Goth Wackee took the lantern to Ryan Richard, who pieced together the portametus and released FEAR from the lantern (or caused the lantern to metamorphosize into FEAR). They may have realized the importance of Thorncastle's Device and the three of them disappeared along with the Device to ensure the secret of FEAR. Maybe, they will all return on September 24 and re-release FEAR by reuniting the lantern and the portametus (or just the Device, which holds FEAR, at this point) at the Opening Scaremonies of HHN XX.

I may not have all of the details sorted out, but I guess that's why we are the Collective, right? We need to collect all of our ideas, share them, and discover the truth!

Or . . . the other option. . . . The Device used back in 2008 captured Bloody Mary and she will be needed to combat FEAR since she is his natural enemy. So, Thorncastle and company disappeared with the Device to either protect FEAR or to help destroy it when the time is right? I just don't know who the bad guys are. But this does all tie into the original idea that LT said that Universal could not be trusted and vice versa.

Ideas?

[Legacy]

If the Lantern itself turned into Fear, then it couldn't be at A&D or in Princeton because, well, then there wouldn't be a Lantern; only Fear.

[Taskmaster]

From the LT facebook:

So while on a scouting job at the park (purely for curiosity, as we still haven't been contracted for a job), I stumbled across a bit of property that looked a little FAMILIAR...

http://img522.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=trapatuniversal.jpg

Anyone at Legendary Truth wanna comment on how one of our Ghost Traps got to Universa...l Studios? Also how our phone number got changed on it?

Anyone want to explain to them that they aren't Ghostbusters, don't own the copyright and the real Ghostbusters had a home at Universal for many years? lol

I'm hoping well get some more useful info before the weekend's over....

Edited September 4, 2010 by Taskmaster

[Chemowasabi]

So, I think it is safe to say that once the five icons were officially put in place and the Collective finally pieced together the photographs to form the portametus, the lantern literally metamorphosized into FEAR himself. Don't we have evidence that this did happen? The official commercial shows a security guard in the Universal A&D warehouse being attacked by the flame that is unleased from the lantern; FEAR himself is ready to take on HHN.

LT had been trying to piece together the photographs and when cell director Ryan Richard (assumed to be the guy from the video survaillance image) succeeded, he and Thorncastle disappeared with the Device. His Device (along with the portametus?) may be needed to capture FEAR and end his reign of terror. Don't we know that Richard had possession (or at least knowledge) of the Device since he is a Spirit Seeker and it was being used in the Wynadot investigation. Maybe the Device was removed from the estate and these two men disappeared with it. After all, Thorncastle did have a truck that could hold the Device and any co-conspirators. I don't know much about Goth Wackee, but perhaps TJ is not cooperating on this issue becuase he cannot disclose any information on her since she is Thorncastle's co-conspirator who used to work for Universal's A&D. After all, someone had to have access to the lantern to bring it to Richard in the first place, right? After FEAR was initially released and the three co-conspirators fled, the lantern (along with Richard's belongings less the diary, which he took) was shipped to the LT lab in Princeton for analysis. How will it get back to the event? Or is it no longer needed since Thorncasle, Richard, and Goth Wackee have FEAR captured in the Device?

Bottom line, Goth Wackee took the lantern to Ryan Richard, who pieced together the portametus and released FEAR from the lantern (or caused the lantern to metamorphosize into FEAR). They may have realized the importance of Thorncastle's Device and the three of them disappeared along with the Device to ensure the secret of FEAR. Maybe, they will all return on September 24 and re-release FEAR by reuniting the lantern and the portametus (or just the Device, which holds FEAR, at this point) at the Opening Scaremonies of HHN XX.

I may not have all of the details sorted out, but I guess that's why we are the Collective, right? We need to collect all of our ideas, share them, and discover the truth!

Or . . . the other option. . . . The Device used back in 2008 captured Bloody Mary and she will be needed to combat FEAR since she is his natural enemy. So, Thorncastle and company disappeared with the Device to either protect FEAR or to help destroy it when the time is right? I just don't know who the bad guys are. But this does all tie into the original idea that LT said that Universal could not be trusted and vice versa.

Ideas?

Problems with this Theory. (mind you, a lot of it IS very sound, but this is why I think there are big issues with how this story is going down.

A.) The commerical doesn't count. If you are going to stick to the fictional realm that this story takes place in, then there is No HHN commercial, sure, there is an HHN event that happens every year, and in the real side Universal has to advertise for it, but you can't use proof from one world in another. (much the same problem revolving around...)

B.) There is yet to be an investigation at Wyandot Manor. There is yet to be a Wyandot investigation. This is an unfortunate tale of foreshadowing, the fact that in releasing the information to the public, one of the names of the houses had the words "Legendary Truth" in it. Had they just called it "The Haunting at Wyandot Manor" and said "a team" was investigating, we wouldn't have even worried s much about it to begin with. However, since they are going to be using LT involved people (present or former, LT or Spirit Seekers) is a moot point. Again, this is where the reality vs. fictional worlds are having issues. THIS is where the timeline just all wibbly wobbly like i spoke of before.

We just happen to know what's to come. But in all actuality, until sept 24, at least in the fictional timeline, there IS NO Wyandot investigation. It's pointless to ask LT about events that occured or are going to occur in the future, when they can't have those answers (haven't happened, and it's a rougue cell when it does happen supposedly)

C.) LT hadn't been attempting to put the device together before Richards took off (Unless of course Sterlington was somehow a part of this team, but no one will figure that out until we start trolling all the waters he could be "fishing" on). LT (or at least, the LT we are currently interacting with) wasn't even aware of all of this until Richards got caught and bailed.

D.) Bloody Mary will be at the event. Yes. Bloody Mary and about 30 other elements from the past. I think by putting her in the event in this capacity was the only way that could actually give her a nod without going into that whole "who owns the copyrights to what likeness/name/story/etc" and with the money they have alraedy poured into the event, I'm sure it would just be easier dollar and stress wise, to just have her there as much as any of the other characters from past years that will be wandering around. Bloody Mary is not one of the icons. She just happened to be the license character they based one of the events around. Unfortunetly, that's as far as that one goes.

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Totally unrelated to this topic note. The further we get, the more I'm sure we're likely to see some idiots in Ghostbuster garb get escorted off premises via OCPD. and by all means, I know there will be pictures, and I shall point and laugh.

[cwoolboy]

ok, confused. I thought WE were responsible for releasing FEAR when we assembled the photographs...are you saying that FEAR may have been released before we were called on for help and we were only helping to find a way to put FEAR back??

[Dinosaur Pirate]

Q. I've been wondering, has any attempt been made to locate the complete writings of Dr. Abraham Lockheed? The fact that he described Adaru in such detail leads me to think that he has, at least in some capacity, been summoned once before, and the writings may contain clues on how to defeat or seal away Adaru.

A. Yes.

IH

Edited September 4, 2010 by Dinosaur Pirate

[cwoolboy]

Yeah, IH has been very tightlipped as of late. Her most recent response to one of my questions was just her referring me to Dr. Gordon.

Edited September 5, 2010 by cwoolboy

[ZekeStarr]

I have a small theory, please excuse me if this has been said before and also feel free to tear my theory to pieces as well.

What if, the reason Legendary Truth is doing all this research on Fear is so they can summon and CONTROL Fear for their purposes? For example, they could force him to make new cases for them so their business could continue to thrive forever? The reason they are researching ways to send him back is for blackmail.....if Fear decides to go wild or disobey them, they can just put fear into Fear by threatening to send him back to where ever he came from if he doesn't do what they ask.

What if, the reason certain members of Legendary Truth defected is because they found that out and the reason the members who defected took the device and everything to do with the Bloody Mary case is because if they left those notes, the corrupt members might find them and give them even more ways to put Fear under their control by using more methods of fear? We all know the Bloody Mary wasn't exactly the best at curing fear.....instead she induced more fear into others and killed others using their fears against them. If those kind of notes got into the hands of the corrupt Legendary Truth members.....they would be able to control Fear pretty well.

As for the device that the members who defected took, it took a picture of some sort right? Maybe what it did was "take" your fears so Bloody Mary couldn't use them against you.....and then realizing what was going on....stole the device so the corrupt members couldn't use those fears to make Fear stronger or perhaps give the fears back to those whom it was taken from and allow Fear to use them against you?

Well.....that is about all I really have though.....like I said, feel free to pick it apart.

[ChelseaLA86]

That's a lot to digest....gimme a minute

[_Veritas_]

@ Zeke

I know this isn't an answer, but your theory reminds me of the question I asked of the LT (and never got a reply to though.)

What connection does Bloody Mary have specifically to FEAR. Cause she gained her power "through" people's fears. Fear made her stronger. What correlation is there between the two? Does she "work" with/for FEAR, or is it the other way around?

[Legacy]

@ Zeke

I know this isn't an answer, but your theory reminds me of the question I asked of the LT (and never got a reply to though.)

I had asked during the conference if there was a possibility of the 2008 investigation having to do with the current investigation, and was told to focus only on this year.

[Dr. Jimmy]

I had asked during the conference if there was a possibility of the 2008 investigation having to do with the current investigation, and was told to focus only on this year.

We should never forget the weiner factor when thinking about Bloody Mary's involvement, she will make some appearance at the event however - but not as one of the Big Icons.

(I have also heard that the only other icon who is not under Universal's complete control may also make some appearance as well!)

[Fallow]

We should never forget the weiner factor when thinking about Bloody Mary's involvement, she will make some appearance at the event however - but not as one of the Big Icons.

(I have also heard that the only other icon who is not under Universal's complete control may also make some appearance as well!)

Eh? This intrigues me - I'll disregard the New Line characters as they were never really icons... could you be referring to an appearance by the fabled Cryptkeeper...?

[Shotguy06]

We should never forget the weiner factor when thinking about Bloody Mary's involvement, she will make some appearance at the event however - but not as one of the Big Icons.

(I have also heard that the only other icon who is not under Universal's complete control may also make some appearance as well!)

I brought up the fact in another thread that if BM was captured inside of the device from 2008, and she is from Wyandot County, OH. Perhaps she may make an appearance in the Wyandot Estate. I could be completely off, but would be interesting.

And if the other Icon you speak of is who I think it is I would love to see.

[Taskmaster]

Eh? This intrigues me - I'll disregard the New Line characters as they were never really icons... could you be referring to an appearance by the fabled Cryptkeeper...?

If you're talking about the Cryptkeeper I will be one very happy fan!

[cwoolboy]

As will I. Would be awesome to see how they pull it off.

@Zeke: Cool Theory. Just wish LT would post sumthin new on their facebook for us die-hards to drool over.

[Grindhousehero13]

Thank you, i'm glad i'm not the only one who felt that way lol

I go to comic cons in Orlando and i've seen these guys that think they are "official" Ghostbusters and actually pay to have their own location to meet people and offer their services and such and it just amazes me, i'm all for being a fan, heck i'm a HUGE Ghostbusters fan myself, but there is only so far i'll go. I've had more than one "fandom" turn me off things I once loved (Star Wars, G.I. Joe and BTVS just to name a few) I can't even watch Star Wars at this point, but that's not as much the fans fault as George Lucas' lol

From the LT facebook:

Anyone want to explain to them that they aren't Ghostbusters, don't own the copyright and the real Ghostbusters had a home at Universal for many years? lol

Yeah Im all for being a fan hell thats why im on this forum but WOW just realy, he may be a tad into fantasyland you know what would be great is if he tries to sue Universal for Copyrights

Edited September 6, 2010 by Grindhousehero13