IheartNARWHALS Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Wow, you seem to have..... analyzed this critically! I believe that OC brings in some fans that IP's still would not, and while it is true that IP's bring more in, I don't think it would normally cause a huge dip (10-15%) in attendance, to add in to what you were saying. Good work, critical analysis! The puns are strong in this one xD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I've had time to think about this sentence. You're not correct. http://stateofworkingamerica.org/great-recession/ The recession started December 2007 (after HHN '07), had its large economic impact mid '08 (driving down attendance for HHN '08), and then ended June '09 (before HHN '09). That's what caused it - NOT the original content. You're likely spot on. I fully realize the myriad of external factors that can impact the event. But you have to look at how Universal management will view it. During a recession, a publicly-traded business has to react. The problem is that they have very few things they can actually control. In the case of Universal with HHN, they can control the type of houses that are presented. It's unfortunate that an Original-heavy year that was sandwiched two IP-heavy years hit a recession, because it gives a negative implication. It's a great example of the causation/correlation debate, but that's not a debate businesses cannot financially afford to get involved in. Financially, they see a marked improvement between "IP Years" and "Original Years." That's what they can control, so that's how they respond. It gets even murkier when you think about what the IPs are now doing for the event. It's been a long time since they extended hours during a run, and never for as many nights as they've done this year. The media blitz for the event on both parks is now noticeably bigger (IGN never covered HHN before TWD). The synergy between all arms of Com/BC/Universal is at an all-time high (and is dangerously efficient). The recent success of the event will "prove" the theory, and will lead to the continued practice. The recession may have impacted it, but that's not Universal management will see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartNARWHALS Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Doesn't obtaining IP's cost a lot of money and time? My thoughts on this is that if they do more original concepts they would save money that way. Does this make sense to anyone else? I lost my train of thought xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Doesn't obtaining IP's cost a lot of money and time? My thoughts on this is that if they do more original concepts they would save money that way. Does this make sense to anyone else? I lost my train of thought xD Depends on the IP. But if the attendance increases because of them, then it's worth it. Also, it saves a lot of man-hours because a majority of the necessary research is done. A&D has to build, massage and adapt; steps are necessary in all houses they build. The sell of the vision is easier though. Also, it frees up A&D because Legal does a good portion of the work. A&D just builds a pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartNARWHALS Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 That makes sense. I never thought about the legal team doing the work on getting the IP. But the cost is staggering I would imagine to obtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperius Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Something big, and at this point that's as much as I know for sure. Godzilla?!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 That makes sense. I never thought about the legal team doing the work on getting the IP. But the cost is staggering I would imagine to obtain. Again, it depends. And it's all contextual. The six-figures TWD likely cost is a small amount to Universal comparatively to the rest of the event, and is impossible for most other haunts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) I've had time to think about this sentence. You're not correct. http://stateofworkingamerica.org/great-recession/ The recession started December 2007 (after HHN '07), had its large economic impact mid '08 (driving down attendance for HHN '08), and then ended June '09 (before HHN '09). That's what caused it - NOT the original content. well you can even see it this year, the big 3 ip houses get 1 hour lines really fast. The originals stay at 20 minutes until like 7:30 or later. and then when the IP houses are at 1 hour and a half, the originals are at 45 minutes. If you see it like that, it would be pretty obvious to them at Universal to see how the more IPs you get into the park the more people will want to see it. seems like the original houses are the ones everyone does AFTER they were done with the big IP ones. Edited October 14, 2014 by clash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criticalanalysis Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 You're likely spot on. I fully realize the myriad of external factors that can impact the event. But you have to look at how Universal management will view it. During a recession, a publicly-traded business has to react. The problem is that they have very few things they can actually control. In the case of Universal with HHN, they can control the type of houses that are presented. It's unfortunate that an Original-heavy year that was sandwiched two IP-heavy years hit a recession, because it gives a negative implication. It's a great example of the causation/correlation debate, but that's not a debate businesses cannot financially afford to get involved in. Financially, they see a marked improvement between "IP Years" and "Original Years." That's what they can control, so that's how they respond. It gets even murkier when you think about what the IPs are now doing for the event. It's been a long time since they extended hours during a run, and never for as many nights as they've done this year. The media blitz for the event on both parks is now noticeably bigger (IGN never covered HHN before TWD). The synergy between all arms of Com/BC/Universal is at an all-time high (and is dangerously efficient). The recent success of the event will "prove" the theory, and will lead to the continued practice. The recession may have impacted it, but that's not Universal management will see. Such a shame. The event - honestly - used to be a lot better. Sure, it's nice to see Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, etc. Without getting back into it, a lot of board members here, scareactors, and Creative members agree the first X number of years were better. I definitely see your POV which explains what management is seeing. They're also going to continue to want to do the 5/3 split for as long as possible. If I can concede, it makes some sense because they're guaranteed to bring in guests. But, I would strongly argue the event would STILL bring in the same number of guests. The event was put on the map and grew because of the first X years. I still hear conversations of people saying they're glad to experience IPs, but the original content can be far more interesting. Even thinking about Dead End, Winter's Night, Legendary Truth - a few GORGEOUS houses from recent years - let's be honest, those houses are far better in times of set design than Halloween is. But, it's nice to see Michael Myers, so that'll give it a few points. American Werewolf was a great house, probably among legendary status, for the event. It's tough. I really hope original content gets a bit of a boost and it goes to a 4/4 split. After all, the fifth houses - Dracula, arguably, this year - were horrible. That budget is a lot better spent elsewhere. If they give management FREE reign on the 4 original houses, scarezones, and more innovative scares like they used to, I'd "settle" with the IPs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Such a shame. The event - honestly - used to be a lot better. Sure, it's nice to see Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, etc. Without getting back into it, a lot of board members here, scareactors, and Creative members agree the first X number of years were better. I definitely see your POV which explains what management is seeing. They're also going to continue to want to do the 5/3 split for as long as possible. If I can concede, it makes some sense because they're guaranteed to bring in guests. But, I would strongly argue the event would STILL bring in the same number of guests. The event was put on the map and grew because of the first X years. I still hear conversations of people saying they're glad to experience IPs, but the original content can be far more interesting. Even thinking about Dead End, Winter's Night, Legendary Truth - a few GORGEOUS houses from recent years - let's be honest, those houses are far better in times of set design than Halloween is. But, it's nice to see Michael Myers, so that'll give it a few points. American Werewolf was a great house, probably among legendary status, for the event. It's tough. I really hope original content gets a bit of a boost and it goes to a 4/4 split. After all, the fifth houses - Dracula, arguably, this year - were horrible. That budget is a lot better spent elsewhere. If they give management FREE reign on the 4 original houses, scarezones, and more innovative scares like they used to, I'd "settle" with the IPs. I think the change happened when the team members from Hollywood came to FL to wok on the event. maybe I am wrong but I remember seeing on FB how some of them were coming over here, and I remember the event feeling different after that. having both events being done similar was not really for the best. Even some of their houses are becoming a lot better now, Look at Dracula, their house is much stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criticalanalysis Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I think the change happened when the team members from Hollywood came to FL to wok on the event. maybe I am wrong but I remember seeing on FB how some of them were coming over here, and I remember the event feeling different after that. having both events being done similar was not really for the best. Even some of their houses are becoming a lot better now, Look at Dracula, their house is much stronger Perhaps. I'm still curious what happened to Kenny and Michael. Anyone know why they left Orlando? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Perhaps. I'm still curious what happened to Kenny and Michael. Anyone know why they left Orlando? Kenny was justifiably fired because of a poor decision that stemmed from an "Old Guard" mentality. J. Michael Roddy was let go for much more complicated reasons. Let's chalk that one up to "Creative Differences." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottEdmondson41 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'm going tonight! First time I've ever been on a Wednesday. Think crowds will be less tonight? Hoping so lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_K. Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 ^ The weather was definitely amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duh1011 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 So, how were the crowds on a Wednesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuitaChris Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Yea pretty interested to hear about the crowds and if any changes were made to TWD finale. I'll be finally going tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooger and Dark Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Did anyone else get the 'What people are saying about HHN 24' email? Based upon this quote included in the email: "Halloween and The Walking Dead houses were my favorite. I cried and screamed in both lol. Loved it!!" and the fact that they have questions about TWD returning on their survey, I would guess we will get another year of TWD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandry Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Crowds were very manageable last night. Least crowded I've seen it this season - at least on FFP nights. TWD was at 90 minutes at 6:30p then said 60 every other time I walked by. Roanoke and DOTD stayed around 5-10 minutes most of the night. DOTD increased slightly around 9:30p. No changes made, yet, to the end of TWD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duh1011 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I can see them putting zombies into Terminus, along with the gunmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuitaChris Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Great to hear about the low crowds... Hopefully that rolls over to tonight. Gonna be a fun night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottEdmondson41 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 yeah crowds overall were great. got DOTD, roanoke, halloween, giggles, and dracula done in 5-10 minutes. AVP and FDTD were like 20 minutes. saw TWD say 60 and 90 some throughout the night, but when i did it said 45 but really only waited 30 mins. got all houses done, ate at simpsons, and saw B&T all done by like 10:20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I haven't been on here in awhile but I could've sworn a few weeks ago there was a post about the ravens in the houses. Did we ever determine if there's one in every house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmoz628 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Yeah last night was kind of amazing... I ended up getting to go through 13 houses, see RHPS and B&T, and ride a few rides (although I would have picked to go through more houses instead)... I'm pretty sure a night like last night will not be happening again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartNARWHALS Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Yeah last night was kind of amazing... I ended up getting to go through 13 houses, see RHPS and B&T, and ride a few rides (although I would have picked to go through more houses instead)... I'm pretty sure a night like last night will not be happening again this year. Maybe next Wednesday? xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostAlice Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm starting to wonder if my timing is just really bad if I have become pretty unscareable. Tonight was a bit uneventful for us. Hoping next time is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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