ThreeCircles

Someone on the construction thread mentioned the good possibility that one of the tents would house a military type house. Is this the same house that has the "Pitchfork" role? If so, those early clues would certainly match a Crazies type house.

I really don't understand this argument. The 20th year? So. Sorry, but I just don't see why that would make it a drawn to the general public.

I think that's it! The lantern is trying to tell us that the flashy, blinking cups and shot glasses will indeed return this year! Yes!

I'd say he would fit in well with the whole "mythology" theme mentioned.

Again, it's untraceable and no one will be loosing their job. You all assume these people are correctly leaking their role *and* cast or position. So, two people cast for a role, A and B. Person B sends in I've been cast as Scarecrow A. So, A gets fired and has nothing to do with the leak? Come on. No one is loosing anything. Period.

I speculate that being very doubtful. Individuals sending in information (that was available to a multitude of people) to a third party and that third party posting it on the internet, well, doesn't sound too traceable to me. Those people's jobs are fine.

Chainsaws? No way! I'm so glad this news was broke as I would *never* have expected chainsaws at HHN.

That wasn't your point, was it? You suggested that we, and I quote, "give A&D more credit to come up with something a bit more imaginative" in reference to the wedding idea. In essence you suggest that we should place undue faith in A&D because they won't put forth an unimaginative concept. It doesn't matter how "successful" Carnival of Carnage was, it still remains unimaginative. Throw movies together under an the concept that Jack is bringing them all together. So, why wouldn't they do such again? Hey everyone, Jack's getting married and invited all of his friends. The event seems to vacillate between very creative and detailed years, i.e., Tales of Terror, Reflections of Fear, and much less creative and detailed years, i.e., Carnival of Carnage and Sweet 16. Perhaps this is for budgetary reasons or other reasons. Whatever the reason, this year certainly seems to be shaping up as a year to chalk up to the latter grouping rather than the former. Also, my guess is you truly have no clue how Carnival of Carnage, or any other year for that matter, measures success wise.

Really? They gave us Carnival of Carnage. That has to be one of the most unimaginative and least creative themes ever. It amazes me the extent to which some idolize these people and think they can't or won't put forward a bad idea.

So the tag line is the bland: Twenty Years of Fear. <sarcasm>Yay! Another reunion rehash year!</sarcasm>

I'm of the persuasion that the current page is nothing more than an updated placeholder. They replaced the old one that they've used for the past five years. Doubtful there's anything to read into it.

Halloween night was quite slow last year. Longest wait during the busiest portion of the evening was only 25-30 minutes. Everything was also discounted including the alcohol. Souvenir shots were going for $5 with $4 refills. It stands to reason they would offer Halloween night on the FFP. They just want to get people into the event and it sounds like they have a difficult time during that evening.

I won't derail the speculation thread with counterpoints to each of your propositions but I stand by the fact that both events target the teen to young adult group. And by young adult I mean up to mid-thirties. Alcohol has nothing to do with any distinction between the events as Busch, formerly owned by a beer co. least you not forget, pushes the stuff just as much as HHN. Bud stands every five feet. And, Busch too "rates" their event PG-13. I've been attending HHN for five years and HOS for six. Never been interested in any tours from either. And one individual in "creative" does not a HHN make. If HHN's has a target audience of adults they are doing a really shitty job of hitting it.

Sorry, but I wouldn't accept that idea. HOS and HHN have the same core target audience and I would say that's teen through young adult. Most nights at HHN more closely resemble a tween sleep over than they do a frat party. A thought on the scene names that may have already been expressed and I missed it. It's possible, somewhat even likely, that the identifers we have now are only code names for the actual scene names just like the code names for the houses last year. Perhaps these are no more descriptive than that.

It really wasn't fully 3D but more of a hybrid, I guess. They used the 3D paints and black lights throughout. The technique made the "burning" areas of the house look 3D.

Likely the best 3D house I ever experienced was The Hunted at HOS. Totally unique way of using the effect. With that said, I've enjoyed most of the 3D houses as something different from the run of the mill, standard houses.

Count me in as one who doesn't care about the shows. In fact, I've yet to see any shows at HHN. Bill and Ted is just obnoxious to me and not in the least interesting. Likewise, RHPS just doesn't interest me when done by a theme park cast. I would acutally probably see RHPS but because Universal can't seem to control capacity at HHN, or at least doesn't want to, I'd rather devote time to a house than the show. About the only Halloween show I regularly see is Fiends at HOS. It's corney and rehashed but I like it. More nurses!

I'm just not a fan of reunions period. It's a cheap way to avoid having to develop and market a new concept. Just rehashing ideas already used. New will always trump old in my book. And really, how many reunions do you need? 16 was plenty.

I'm not a copyright attorney or expert but I don't think it's possible to copyright such a general idea as "bloody mary" that resides in the public domain. Sure, a specific incarnation of that general idea but not the general idea itself. Anyone can make a movie about some pretty famous characters, including Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland, Wizard of Oz, etc. They're all in the public domain. (That's not to say they can use already created images of those characters but certainly the idea and storyline.) This article is interesting. There's a whole list of characters in the public domain near the end of the page.

In my opinion, there's an exceptionally strong tendency among some HHN attendees to greatly exaggerate the event. This tendency isn't new to this year but, perhaps, may be taken to another level since it is, what some posit, a "significant anniversary year". (Overall, I see much less of this behavior here than I do on another HHN site but that's another story.) Here's my thoughts: *Fist, while 20 years may mean a lot to a small number of devoted attendees, I'm not so sure it's a big deal in the business sense. I mean, I don't think it's going to pull in a significant increase in attendance, and thus revenue, simply because it's year 20. And I think Universal knows that. Sure, they may throw in a few extras but is it going to be significantly different. Um, no. Keep in mind the fact that each and every year Universal proclaims the event as the biggest and best. "Twenty" may well become the marketing gimmick but result in little real difference. Second, consider your audience. There are far too many that frequent HHN focused forums that have the "Three year old Santa Syndrome." To a three year old, Santa and Christmas may well become so large in their mind that it eclipses all logical reason. This, it seems, happens with the non-typical HHN fan. They talk only in extremes (HHN is the BEST EVER!), they discount any negative or realistic comments that don't espouse obsession with the event, and they can't objectively consider the event as a whole or in part. So, will some people over build and over exaggerate the event? Absolutely. Will some be let down? Some. But it's a self-feeding cycle. Those who can't see the event objectively and over build it in their mind are the same people who will most likely buy all their hype hook, line, and sinker.

Over estimates on wait times are good. Disney excels at line time estimation and I've noticed that if anything they overestimate the wait time. Spending less time in line than posted wait time = always good. Spending more time in line than posted wait time = never good.

This is a great idea. At various times, last year I believe, people made mention of a black and white house. Everything in black and white like one was transported into one of the old films. The Night of the Living Dead would be an awesome fit for that. Classy and contemporary at the same time. And I'll third Carpenter's Halloween. Best horror movie ever, in my opinion. And who doesn't love Dr. Loomis?

We had FFP for 2009 and attended the event on Halloween night. We pre-gamed a bit at the NBA club overlooking City Walk (have to love 2-4-1 Roman Cokes) and remarked many times that the flow of people was certainly stronger going out of Universal than into Universal. Once in the parks the crowds were actually great. Very low until about 9:30/10:00 when the crowds peaked. Even then they were well below a Saturday level crowd. By 11:30 the crowds were thinning again. I still have the wait times on my phone: TIME:_____6:30___7:___7:30___8:___8:3__9:___9:3__10:__11:3__12:___1:__1:30 Chucky_____20___15___05___05___20___30___30___30___45___45___45___20 Spawning___XX___10___10___15___10___15___15___20___20___15___05___05 Cleaver_____XX___05___20___30___30___45___30___30___30___05___05___05 Drac_______XX___30___45___45___30___45___30___30___20___15___10___05 Wolf_______20___20___35___35___30___30___10___20___10___10___05___05 Silver S____XX___05___05___05___05___05___05___05___20___20___05___05 Frank______XX___20___20___45___45___30___45___45___10___20___05___05 Saw________05___05___20___45___60___90___90___90___75___60___20___10 Keep in mind these are from Universal who, in my opinion, notoriously underestimates wait times. Still, it was a very nice night.

If the number of houses and scare zones is increased to ten each I see a drop in quality coming. I just don't see them expanding the budget to accommodate. Least we not forget, at the end of the day this event is about profit margins, and I just don't think that two new houses and two new scare zones would increase attendance enough to justify the expenditures. I could see them "adding" these new areas without, well, really "adding" anything. Just rearranging. Or, if they just dust off old scare zones, houses, well, that wouldn't cost much aside from additional payroll. I'm with the others here regarding quality versus quantity. Don't give us poorly executed and themed areas just to bump up a number. The attendees won't buy it.

Interested here, as well. Great idea.