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In the past when some brought up Spanish Inquisition, I had been hesitant to accept the notion. But I did point out that event began in the year 1492. I had hoped someone would remember the other big event of the same year.

And isn't it Ironic that we have a Day in that month to Commemorate him?

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So there may be another reason why count keeps coming up, but perhaps the clue is more simple and has a more obvious meaning. Also all the clues may form a longer poem giving us each house, and in good poetic fashion certain words and sounds will be repeated.

well the theme can possibly be a casino and what is connected with blackjack? card counting. maybe count is consistent because its showing a major theme not something specific. maybe its just obvious

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Hey I see you've been struggling with that one, Spanish is my mother tongue, so here's the correct translation:

"Había cuatro naves y se fue de España; Navegó por el sol, el viento y la lluvia. Tres barcos continuaron explorando, Pero, ¿qué pasó con el número cuatro? "

"There were four ships and he/she left Spain, he/she sailed through the sun, the wind and the rain. Three ships continued exploring, But what happened to number four?"

Ok, so it has to be about Christopher Columbus first voyage.

In 1492 he sailed from Spain to prove the Earth's roundness, but also to search for a western route to the Orient.

He ended discovering America and landed in the Bahamas, marking the beginning of the European exploration and colonization of the American continent.

In this voyage, he sailed with three ships according to most history books: La Pinta (The Painted), La Niña (The Little Girl) and The Santa Maria (St. Mary).

BUT recent studies have shown that he actually sailed with not three but four ships, and the last one - called "San Jose" (St. Joseph) - got lost in the Bermudas Triangle and never made it.

I think here is where the clue is heading to: a Spanish ghost ship.

The only voyage that columbus sailed with four ships was his fourth voyage. the first voyage was only with three. Also I want to point out that in the fourth voyage the none of Columbus's ships were "lost" they all were in harbor during the hurricane. The ships that were lose were the governor's fleet which lost 29 of 30 ships and 500 men died. Its a really cool idea to use this information because, without Columbus's voyages to the Caribbean, Ponce De Leon (Also Spanish) would have never discovered Florida. So there are some definate historical ties here.

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The only voyage that columbus sailed with four ships was his fourth voyage. the first voyage was only with three. Also I want to point out that in the fourth voyage the none of Columbus's ships were "lost" they all were in harbor during the hurricane. The ships that were lose were the governor's fleet which lost 29 of 30 ships and 500 men died. Its a really cool idea to use this information because, without Columbus's voyages to the Caribbean, Ponce De Leon (Also Spanish) would have never discovered Florida. So there are some definate historical ties here.

Dude, like I said before "on his first voyage, he sailed with three ships according to most history books, but recent studies have shown that he actually sailed with not three but four ships".

Take a look at these articles:

http://staugustine.com/stories/071206/civic_advocate_civav_1.shtml

http://thesteineraid.blogspot.com/2004/08/christopher-columbus-fourth-ship.html

There's even a published book about this subject: 1492: The Fourth Caravel of Christopher Columbus

There's a mystery around this voyage,

but the important thing here is that we're on the same page about the possible theme for the house.

Edited by Ely

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In the past when some brought up Spanish Inquisition, I had been hesitant to accept the notion. But I did point out that event began in the year 1492. I had hoped someone would remember the other big event of the same year.

Not sure if it's a big event, but some of Columbus's ships reported seeing an unusual light from the surface to the sky. Some claim it was Alien in origin???

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The only voyage that columbus sailed with four ships was his fourth voyage. the first voyage was only with three. Also I want to point out that in the fourth voyage the none of Columbus's ships were "lost" they all were in harbor during the hurricane. The ships that were lose were the governor's fleet which lost 29 of 30 ships and 500 men died. Its a really cool idea to use this information because, without Columbus's voyages to the Caribbean, Ponce De Leon (Also Spanish) would have never discovered Florida. So there are some definate historical ties here.

even if he didn't sail with 4 ships, they could just make one up.

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Or it could not be Columbus at all. As it stands, it's just an assumption that it's Columbus or Pirates because it's Spanish. It being Spanish though, only means that it CAN be Pirates or Columbus; not that it WILL.

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II know this is delayed but could the first clue also be a reference to the past present and future of someTHING. Not just saying the house that's going to be th

ere but in general

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How historical do you think A&D will get. St. Augustine is filled with ghost stories about the Spanish. I don't ever remember learning about a ship wreck, but there is a story about the when the Spanish first arrived in St. Augustine, Pedro Menendez took Native Americans into the bay and try to get them to convert to Christianity or lose their head. This could be a cool idea, a Spanish Execution Ship?

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Is it me or has our mutual friend gone quiet? Aren't we overdue another clue? Oh the anticipation is killing me lol.

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Is it me or has our mutual friend gone quiet? Aren't we overdue another clue? Oh the anticipation is killing me lol.

Yeah, the last time we skipped a week we received two clues the following week. Hoping luck will be on our side this week as well!

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Well, My very first wishful thinking thought is...

THE ANGELS HAVE THE PHONEBOX!!!!!

weepingangel2.jpg

Of course this is highly unlikely, but the "rumor window" does contain a stetson, tricorn and fez!

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Now a bit more seriously, this may point to the supposed Poe house? Consider the text of his poem "the Conqueror Worm"

Lo! ’t is a gala night

Within the lonesome latter years!

An angel throng, bewinged, bedight

In veils, and drowned in tears,

Sit in a theatre, to see

A play of hopes and fears,

While the orchestra breathes fitfully

The music of the spheres.

Mimes, in the form of God on high,

Mutter and mumble low,

And hither and thither fly—

Mere puppets they, who come and go

At bidding of vast formless things

That shift the scenery to and fro,

Flapping from out their Condor wings

Invisible Wo!

That motley drama—oh, be sure

It shall not be forgot!

With its Phantom chased for evermore

By a crowd that seize it not,

Through a circle that ever returneth in

To the self-same spot,

And much of Madness, and more of Sin,

And Horror the soul of the plot.

But see, amid the mimic rout,

A crawling shape intrude!

A blood-red thing that writhes from out

The scenic solitude!

It writhes!—it writhes!—with mortal pangs

The mimes become its food,

And seraphs sob at vermin fangs

In human gore imbued.

Out—out are the lights—out all!

And, over each quivering form,

The curtain, a funeral pall,

Comes down with the rush of a storm,

While the angels, all pallid and wan,

Uprising, unveiling, affirm

That the play is the tragedy, “Man,”

And its hero, the Conqueror Worm.

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Contrarywise, the clue could simply point to the demons expected in Sprung Tent 1, as demons are in fact "fallen angels".

According to certain ancient texts, such as the Book of Enoch, the Fallen Angels fell due to lust...

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Dr. Jimmy... I was thinking this might go more for the WWI house. If our suspicions are correct, the war house needs to be in 23B. This is the house with the largely female cast of "nurses."

I'm thinking perhaps our "nurses" are of a supernatural nature and that they might be after our soldiers.

The war house needs to have an "enemy" of some sort, and I would bet that enemy will be supernatural.

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Dr. Jimmy... I was thinking this might go more for the WWI house. If our suspicions are correct, the war house needs to be in 23B. This is the house with the largely female cast of "nurses."

I'm thinking perhaps our "nurses" are of a supernatural nature and that they might be after our soldiers.

The war house needs to have an "enemy" of some sort, and I would bet that enemy will be supernatural.

You mean... VALKYRIES????

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You mean... VALKYRIES????

Hadn't even thought of that, but I think that's hitting the nail right on the head. Seems to fit... and actually makes me quite excited for that house if it's true!

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Hadn't even thought of that, but I think that's hitting the nail right on the head. Seems to fit... and actually makes me quite excited for that house if it's true!

I agree it's a nifty idea, and if true it would be quite amazing! Especially if they had them "flying" overhead!

Of course being the enormous fangeek that I am, I would really, really love it if Sprung Tent 2 turns out neither to be Poe or Casino but a Doctor Who House!!! I realize this is as far-fetched as all get out. But Aiello is as big a Doctor Who geek as I am, and he did set up some arrangement with the BBC to secure the rights to use the Doctor in B&T last year.

So maybe... just maybe... he got the rights for a super secret Who house??? I know this is silly of me, but I really, really want this to be true!

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I agree it's a nifty idea, and if true it would be quite amazing! Especially if they had them "flying" overhead!

Of course being the enormous fangeek that I am, I would really, really love it if Sprung Tent 1 turns out neither to be Poe or Casino but a Doctor Who House!!! I realize this is as far-fetched as all get out. But Aiello is as big a Doctor Who geek as I am, and he did set up some arrangement with the BBC to secure the rights to use the Doctor in B&T last year.

So maybe... just maybe... he got the rights for a super secret Who house??? I know this is silly of me, but I really, really want this to be true!

I think the later half of this post belongs in the "Wishful Thinking" thread... and I'm afraid you will have your hopes dashed =P

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Angels descend through the glimmering gloom, Lustful and greedy, they flit room to room...

Angels - Fair in countenance. Coupled with the girls getting this clue and not the guys.. implies females.

Descend - on wings

My first thought was vampiresses.

Glimmering gloom - the dust and mood of War.

Lustful and greedy - Blood lust. Perhaps drawn to the wounded in battle.

they flit - fluttering or darting movement. Again implies flight.

room to room - meaning the move quickly through the hospital tents to devour.

Edit: Lizz gets props for my thought process on the vampires... she posed the idea to me first.

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How angels fell according to the Book of Enoch:

"In those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven , saw them and desired them; and they said to one another, 'Come, let us choose wives for ourselves from among the daughters of man and beget us children.' And Semyaz, being their leader, said unto them,'I fear that perhaps you will not consent that this deed should be done, and I alone will become (responsible) for this great sin.' But they all responded to him, 'Let us all swear an oath and bind everyone among us by a curse not to abandon this suggestion but to do the deed.' Then they all swore together and bound one another by (the curse) And they were altogether two hundred;" - 1 Enoch 6:1-7

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The Lady with the Lamp.

EDIT - To elaborate:

"Lo! In that hour of misery

A lady with a lamp I see

Pass through the glimmering gloom,

And flit from room to room."

It's poem about Florence Nightingale, a nurse who was known as a "ministering Angel." The war house is filled with Nurses, or Angels.

http://www.clinicofangels.org/LadyOfLamp.htm

Edited by Legacy

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Angels descend through the glimmering gloom, Lustful and greedy, they flit room to room...

Angels - Fair in countenance. Coupled with the girls getting this clue and not the guys.. implies females.

Descend - on wings

My first thought was vampiresses.

Glimmering gloom - the dust and mood of War.

Lustful and greedy - Blood lust. Perhaps drawn to the wounded in battle.

they flit - fluttering or darting movement. Again implies flight.

room to room - meaning the move quickly through the hospital tents to devour.

This is exactly what initially came to mind when I read the clue. I picture these aptly named 'nurses' or angels of mercy if you will, actually being angels of death. They flit room to room, killing the wounded. These wounded, of course, could be considered lucky to have survived the battlefield, only to have them meet the same fate as those whom had already met death on the battlefield. Perhaps they really weren't the 'lucky' ones. The actually lucky ones might have been those who met their fate instantly, on the field of battle. After all, death might be a bit cheated by anyone who merely escaped the battle with only a wound.

Edited by bberts

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