Grindhousehero13 Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 why's that? It was either 2009 or 2010 someone said they were giving Universal problems with lending out IP's for HHN... and rumor is they are one of the reasons The Exorcist is so hard to get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridesandstuff Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 It was either 2009 or 2010 someone said they were giving Universal problems with lending out IP's for HHN... and rumor is they are one of the reasons The Exorcist is so hard to get. ahh ok that sucks. Seems kind of strange that they'd be like that given HHN's success and how well HP is doing. Their loss I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThNdIzNiR Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I think there is a possibility WB might make it difficult for Universal to use Trick 'r Treat too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindhousehero13 Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 I think there is a possibility WB might make it difficult for Universal to use Trick 'r Treat too. Universal owns Trick 'r Treat now with the Legendary and Universal partnerships, if you notice most of Legendary's non DC comics squeals like Trick 'r Treat, Pacific Rim and Godzilla are being backed by Universal now and not WB, I stated this before about my theory on the original not really original maze being based on Sam's Seasons Greetings, if WB are gonna be tight on TrT, they could use Sam and Dougherty's work outside of the first film, especially with Universal doing TrT 2 and Krampus. this was in the early years 2009ish, when all Murdy had done so far was The big 3. Saw is what really started expanding it, and it did not get to sold out nights until 2012. For I know they may have changed their tune, unless the whole Legendary thing left them sour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThNdIzNiR Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Well maybe Universal owns the rights for present and future projects as long as Legendary is signed on. However, I'm pretty sure they would have to work something out for that film though, since I'm pretty sure WB helped fund it. Possibility of Scream coming on the East Coast. Either that, or just another original variation of Scream House. I know there is someone over on this side who's wanted Scream for quite a while now. Edited April 9, 2015 by ThNdIzNiR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindhousehero13 Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share Posted April 9, 2015 Well maybe Universal owns the rights for present and future projects as long as Legendary is signed on. However, I'm pretty sure they would have to work something out for that film though, since I'm pretty sure WB helped fund it. Possibility of Scream coming on the East Coast. Either that, or just another original variation of Scream House. I know there is someone over on this side who's wanted Scream for quite a while now. I don't know how familiar you are with how studios work or the history of TrT so I'll explain. Michael Dougherty & Legendary owns Sam and TrT, Sam exist outside of Trick r Treat in Dougherty's original animated short and and the shorts "Season's Greetings" and "The Four Rules" that air on FEARnet which is owned by NBCUniversal.... so all Sam related appearances since TrT are property of Universal and MD while the character of Sam along with Legendary which is now partners with Universal hence why TrT2 is being distributed by Universal. As for TrT (1) it was produced (as in funded) by Legendary and Bad Hat Harry (which is owned by Brian Singer [Xmen Film], and MD himself) it was distributed by Warner Brothers as in Warner is paid (which is not limited to money, partial rights, and revenue) to send out the film to theaters (which due to delays had to be sent straight to DVD) and produce DVD and home media and ship to retailers WB did not pay for production they paid for distribution. So what does that mean? Michael Dougherty and Legendary Pictures own Sam the name "Trick 'r Treat", the characters, and majority of the movie rights which is why they can make another installment to Trick 'r Treat with another studio distributing it. That being said Warner Brother do hold some right to the "first" film, not the characters per say. What does that mean for HHN? as long as Legendary and MD want to lend out Sam and other characters or anything made outside of TrT (1) they are free to, with Md being friends with Murdy and Legendary and Universal being the best of friends right now (hell letting Legendary produce one of Universal's greatest and loved property coming out this June, it's like when you trust your best friend to watch your pet hamster for the weekend or lend him your XBOX) the chances are higher then they have been. I can explain more but I will do so later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThNdIzNiR Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Thanks for taking the time to explain. I knew the gist of what you mentioned. I'm still unsure what WB themselves believe they are entitled to in regards to the 1st film. Considering how well the film has been received over time (it's still gaining speed), I believe it made WB look pretty awful for not allowing it to have it's theatrical release. In my opinion, not releasing it was outright foolish. They literally could put out any horror movie in October and make money, nevermind a great movie like that one. Anyways, it made them look bad. I'd imagine that because of that, it could add friction between them and the producers. Obviously I have no idea how the contracts were drawn up, but whatever piece of TrT WB is entitled to I'm pretty sure they'll more than likely make it as difficult as possible for anyone else to use, especially now that Legendary is working with Universal who is a major competitor. Just how I picture it, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Jeffula Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I don't know why i see Mad Max being brought up.......whats scary about Mad Max? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deliciousoatmeal Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I don't know why i see Mad Max being brought up.......whats scary about Mad Max? Nothing, we're just thinking of options for the non-horror property. I mean anything can be MADE scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foREVer56 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Since we've been sharing quite a few IPs recently, there's a decent chance we"ll be sharing 1, some, or ALL of our IPs. Here's my guesses on what will be shared, if the IPs rumored for Orlando come to fruition: 1. TWD: 100%. Not even gonna comment on it. 2. Insidious: 95%. There's a SLIGHT chance they won't do it since they've done it before, but I seriously doubt it. 3. Freddy vs Jason: 80%. I feel like this is too big for Hollywood not to get it, much like with AvP last year. But since you guys didn't get Halloween last year, there's a chance this is the slasher you guys don't get. But I seriously doubt it, as you've got Halloween multiple times, but never FvJ. 4. Scream(either movie or TV show like FDTD): 60%. Percentage is so low because I'm not completely sold on this one. This rumor just started floating around so I don't know how true it is. If it does come, I believe it to be the show they promote this year on both coasts. 5. American Werewolf in London: 10%. I don't see you guys bringing this back at all. It wasn't the prodigy it was in Orlando for you guys (I think even AvP eclipsed it in popularity?), so there's no reason to bring it back. Hell i don't even want it back in Orlando, and it's my second favorite house out of 10 years of attending. It's looking like we're not getting Krampus nor Crimson Peak, but that doesn't mean you guys won't either. Or maybe your original is based off the zone rather than the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridesandstuff Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 ^we had one Halloween house, but we've had multiple NOES and F13 houses. Granted, not FVJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 So, inferring from what we'll be sharing in Orlando, here's how I feel: 100% For Sure: -Walking Dead -Insidious Pretty certain: -Freddy Vs. Jason -Iron Maiden -Scream (It'd be cheap to do, they can reuse props, and it'd be convenient around Murdy's business.) Maybe: -Universal monsters maze -Jurassic World -Crimson Peak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foodstampsFTW Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Oh yeah I'm 150% sure we're getting walking dead and insidious now. 80-90% were getting FvJ I'm only not sure if we're getting scream or not though I think AWIL isn't coming this year due to insidious being higher rated and they use the same location, and there is really not a reason to bring it back, I don't remeber what was rated higher werewolf or AvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindhousehero13 Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 Thanks for taking the time to explain. I knew the gist of what you mentioned. I'm still unsure what WB themselves believe they are entitled to in regards to the 1st film. Considering how well the film has been received over time (it's still gaining speed), I believe it made WB look pretty awful for not allowing it to have it's theatrical release. In my opinion, not releasing it was outright foolish. They literally could put out any horror movie in October and make money, nevermind a great movie like that one. Anyways, it made them look bad. I'd imagine that because of that, it could add friction between them and the producers. Obviously I have no idea how the contracts were drawn up, but whatever piece of TrT WB is entitled to I'm pretty sure they'll more than likely make it as difficult as possible for anyone else to use, especially now that Legendary is working with Universal who is a major competitor. Just how I picture it, but I could be wrong. Easy way to get around... give it title like most of our mazes have (F13: Camp Blood, NOES: Never Sleep Again. Evil Dead: Book Of The Dead ect.) or just say Michael Dougherty's [Presents] Trick 'r Treat, and just don't mention events from the movie in description hence instead of say "Werewolfs hunt prey dressed as sexy women, a schhol bus full of dead children..... blah blah" say "Sam takes you through why we must follow tradition. we can use characters from the first film and use scenes and kills just as long as it is not "Said". To be honest Legendary has WB by the balls If they wanna be nit picky about it. why? Murdy does not want to do scream and has been clear I'm sure no matter how busy he is he has time to say the words "No Scream". Also look yeah we will have shared IP but look at the past two year we had a quite of few ip they did not and vise versa. The Cabin In The Woods Resident Evil An American Werewolf in London (2013) Halloween (2014) An American Werewolf (2014) Black Sabbath Insidious Monster Remix not to mention they could bust a Face/Off where we do maze while they do a scarezone or vise versa. plus the original they do... lets try not to base things TOO much on Orlando's SPECULATION nothing is set in stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThNdIzNiR Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 lets try not to base things TOO much on Orlando's SPECULATION nothing is set in stone. Well... This past year, we did share half the lineup. One of the other ones you got last year, we also had the year before. This year will be a test of sorts in my mind. I have a feeling that Comcast wants both coasts to share as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foodstampsFTW Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I say that because wasn't it supposed to come but got scrapped, and we haven't had Freddy or Jason in a few years, why not kill 2 birds with one stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindhousehero13 Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 FVJ was scrapped because of NLC not wanting characters to cross. Well... This past year, we did share half the lineup. One of the other ones you got last year, we also had the year before. This year will be a test of sorts in my mind. I have a feeling that Comcast wants both coasts to share as much as possible. we are obviously not gonna share anything past what we did this past year, even so why we SO sure we are sharing what we think we are it possble we can share a lot does not mean we are sharing certain thing big example should be Cabin in the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foodstampsFTW Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 But that seems to not be a problem as they look like they are going to get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThNdIzNiR Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 FVJ was scrapped because of NLC not wanting characters to cross. we are obviously not gonna share anything past what we did this past year, even so why we SO sure we are sharing what we think we are it possble we can share a lot does not mean we are sharing certain thing big example should be Cabin in the woods. How many in total do you think will be shared this year? Whatever the number it is, they almost certainly will be ips and not originals right? Many people are already convinced that we already know all 5 ips on our side. Chances are the remaining hidden houses are all original. Assuming the spec is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridesandstuff Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Im guessing two maybe three? Something similar to 2012 & 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindhousehero13 Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 also take into consideration Murdy can refuse, like with Halloween and especially like CITW which Murdy openly refused to do because he thought it clashed with Evil Dead. So for example if you guys do Scream... Murdy has openly wished to take back Scream when we did because he did not want to do it, he did it for the fans and it came out terrible so he said he would not do it again. And again I bring you Face/Off...how do you not know we won't do a MAze on Krampus and you guys do a Scarezone? But I digress the Keywords you said it yourself... Convinced, Chances Are, Assuming, and Spec(ulation) Hell maybe this year all you guys are wrong, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe this year is all Monster Remix in Dubstep-O-Vision. Im guessing two maybe three? Something similar to 2012 & 13 This!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniversalStudiosGeek Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I feel like our IP lineup will be similar to Orlando's (as it's been since 2012). I doubt we'll get AWIL again but Orlando might. Like Grind said, Murdy has been adamant on not having Scream so I doubt it's coming but he's a Carny so who knows. FvJ Insidious Halloween TWD IP that Murdy said wasn't really convention horror (IIRC) 2 Originals one of them is probably a music maze No Shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 After seeing the teaser for MTV's Scream, I'm glad we're not getting it. I'm glad...actually, no....THRILLED Murdy passed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThNdIzNiR Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) If Orlando is using a horror show made for MTV (Scream), I'll be even more disgusted than I already am. Post Punk The hint to the theme of this maze can be found in a song title of a band initially associated with the post punk musical movement. The genre included bands that would later be labeled new wave, no wave, new romantic, Goth, industrial, etc. (One of the following three hints is a red-herring.) -Hint #1 One of the key members of this group shares one of my names...I have 4...technically. Red Herring -Hint #2 One of the words in the song title is something that modern technology has pretty much killed...it might go extinct one day. The Flintstone/s -Hint #3 this song is not as obscure as you might think. It was originally released as a single. B-52's single Meet the Flintstones - video - I found a youtube video that could possibly help match the Flintstones to a house. Or maybe it's Jurassic World, but I'm still skeptical due to the dinosaur sizes, but who knows? Or... 1 more. Santa's evil twin brother Krampus? Edited April 13, 2015 by ThNdIzNiR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deliciousoatmeal Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 If Orlando is using a horror show made for MTV (Scream), I'll be even more disgusted than I already am. Post Punk The hint to the theme of this maze can be found in a song title of a band initially associated with the post punk musical movement. The genre included bands that would later be labeled new wave, no wave, new romantic, Goth, industrial, etc. (One of the following three hints is a red-herring.) -Hint #1 One of the key members of this group shares one of my names...I have 4...technically. Red Herring -Hint #2 One of the words in the song title is something that modern technology has pretty much killed...it might go extinct one day. The Flintstone/s -Hint #3 this song is not as obscure as you might think. It was originally released as a single. B-52's single Meet the Flintstones - video - I found a youtube video that could possibly help match the Flintstones to a house. Or maybe it's Jurassic World, but I'm still skeptical due to the dinosaur sizes, but who knows? Or... 1 more. Santa's evil twin brother Krampus? But if Jurassic World matches that hint, then what property is the non-horror one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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