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this would be perfect, I would also add, enter at your own risk, But, If the house ends up being realistic, i would be afraid of getting hurt by someone flipping out, i mean, I don't know I guess I will try to run and be first in line every day to go in the house, and not go again, or make sure people in front of me or behind are teenagers, I mean, sounds paranoid or maybe silly, but Legacy has brought some points to attention, it would suck to have your day ruined

but at the same time, nothing happened in Havoc,so i don't know, maybe we are all worrying for nothing, all i know is that, ill try to do the line thing or something, this sounds like it could go bad, or nothing happens, at all, who knows, but just the thought of getting hurt in a house is i mean is kinda scary

I think that your risk of getting hurt by a flipping out veteran is just as high as it is getting hurt by a flipping out drunk guy. I wouldn't fret about it.

This is another reason why I'm thinking we shouldn't flip out too much about this house...it's going to create false fears about a group of people. I understand the need and the point of mentioning that this may cause issues for some people afflicted by any combat related psychological issues, but your implied fear of this group of people shows how those who are trying to make that point need to remain tactful and try not to turn it around the other way.

For what it's worth (Wow, I really overuse that phrase) if someone >does< flip out in a house, it's more likely that they'll be flipping out on the "aggressors" and not the other guests (though that's still possible too). I've seen drunks, drugged up morons, and just plain out morons attack scareactors and guests before and totally "Flip out" at this event...but nobody ever died from it, and usually the guests were the ones with the least amounts of injuries. So for your purposes, you should most likely be fine...the scareactors and ops will probably take the brunt of any "freak outs."

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I don't think anyone should worry about getting hurt by anyone when going through this house. Despite the thematics involved, there's definitely a better chance of the so called "flipping out" being done by a drunk guest who is trying to show their ability to stave off an individual in a costume more than anything.

All of the insights in this conversation have been valid, there's always room for issues to occur in any house. I will hold my final judgement until after employee preview when I get a chance to see the house for myself and exactly how "war" oriented the ambiance leans towards.

In the big scheme of things, I'd be more worried about the actual drive to the event than anything that could happen inside the park itself. ;) You have a better chance of getting into an accident than getting hurt by anyone at the event.

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I think that your risk of getting hurt by a flipping out veteran is just as high as it is getting hurt by a flipping out drunk guy. I wouldn't fret about it.

This is another reason why I'm thinking we shouldn't flip out too much about this house...it's going to create false fears about a group of people. I understand the need and the point of mentioning that this may cause issues for some people afflicted by any combat related psychological issues, but your implied fear of this group of people shows how those who are trying to make that point need to remain tactful and try not to turn it around the other way.

For what it's worth (Wow, I really overuse that phrase) if someone >does< flip out in a house, it's more likely that they'll be flipping out on the "aggressors" and not the other guests (though that's still possible too). I've seen drunks, drugged up morons, and just plain out morons attack scareactors and guests before and totally "Flip out" at this event...but nobody ever died from it, and usually the guests were the ones with the least amounts of injuries. So for your purposes, you should most likely be fine...the scareactors and ops will probably take the brunt of any "freak outs."

I don't think anyone should worry about getting hurt by anyone when going through this house. Despite the thematics involved, there's definitely a better chance of the so called "flipping out" being done by a drunk guest who is trying to show their ability to stave off an individual in a costume more than anything.

All of the insights in this conversation have been valid, there's always room for issues to occur in any house. I will hold my final judgement until after employee preview when I get a chance to see the house for myself and exactly how "war" oriented the ambiance leans towards.

In the big scheme of things, I'd be more worried about the actual drive to the event than anything that could happen inside the park itself. ;) You have a better chance of getting into an accident than getting hurt by anyone at the event.

yeah I know, lol, worrying for nothing maybe, but like Legacy and the other people talking about the soldiers and the training kicking in and breaking jaws, I mean, I really have no clue about this besides from reading, online here and there, so I'm just going from what Legacy said, which sounds pretty scary

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yeah I know, lol, worrying for nothing maybe, but like Legacy and the other people talking about the soldiers and the training kicking in and breaking jaws, I mean, I really have no clue about this besides from reading, online here and there, so I'm just going from what Legacy said, which sounds pretty scary

Think of things this way sweetie, if you worried about everything that you had a reason to worry about, you'd never leave your house.... ;) I'm sure that Universal will do the right thing and provide the appropriate precautions for this house to ensure that nothing out of the ordinary happens. There's far too much liability involved with the event in general for someone to not have thought about the repercussions of this house on certain individuals.

Don't sweat it, go and enjoy the event and this house...life's too short to worry about what could happen, in any situation... :)

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Think of things this way sweetie, if you worried about everything that you had a reason to worry about, you'd never leave your house.... ;) I'm sure that Universal will do the right thing and provide the appropriate precautions for this house to ensure that nothing out of the ordinary happens. There's far too much liability involved with the event in general for someone to not have thought about the repercussions of this house on certain individuals.

Don't sweat it, go and enjoy the event and this house...life's too short to worry about what could happen, in any situation... :)

hahahaha, you're right, your comment about not leaving the house made me laugh,

I know you're totally right, this is the first time in 6 years that i have worried about something, I don't even really worry about the fish hooks lol, but yeah, and, I'm really thinking is not going to be that realistic,

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yeah I know, lol, worrying for nothing maybe, but like Legacy and the other people talking about the soldiers and the training kicking in and breaking jaws, I mean, I really have no clue about this besides from reading, online here and there, so I'm just going from what Legacy said, which sounds pretty scary

As a guest, don't worry. Any injuries would be inflicted on the scareactors. That's one of the main reasons I've expressed my concern. We get hit enough as is...

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As a guest, don't worry. Any injuries would be inflicted on the scareactors. That's one of the main reasons I've expressed my concern. We get hit enough as is...

I have been reading this forum for the past couple of years and this topic has forced me to post on behalf of those with traumatic issues that make this event hard or even unbearable to go through.

As someone who has attented this event twice, and LOVE the fact the fact that Universal does such an amazing job at themeing and creating this event. I only WISH I could go to the actual event. Universal does an amazing job creating environments and training their scareactors to go into them. Now what those scareactors do once they get into those environments and beyond the control of Universal is what I have an issue with. I LOVE scareing people and I LOVE being scared, being tortured and cornered is another thing. I can see where Legacy is coming from in his trepidation about what this house will do for combat veterns because the actors can be downright agressive. I, myself, have a very strong flight or fight response, and since I cannot run my arms and legs go out or up, I am 6'3'', those are long limbs! And for all intents and purposes I don't feel like being in zipties at the end of a house being escorted away because of someone that "doesn't leave themselves an out" and does their job incorrectly.

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42 out of 46 posts are about concerns over people having PTSD including people threatening to boycott the entire event rather than just avoiding the one house? I understand it's a legitimate issue to a minority, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. So far I've only seen a single person who actually claims to have PTSD and they have the common sense to take precautions and not go. The Nightingales are the aggressors, not the soldiers. I'm just really disappointed that this house could be scaled back because most of the talk so far has been about the one issue rather than being hyped for what once was the most anticipated house. Put a clearly visible warning sign, warn the scaractors of the potential dangers posed in this one specific house and that should be sufficient IMO.

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42 out of 46 posts are about concerns over people having PTSD including people threatening to boycott the entire event rather than just avoiding the one house? I understand it's a legitimate issue to a minority, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. So far I've only seen a single person who actually claims to have PTSD and they have the common sense to take precautions and not go. The Nightingales are the aggressors, not the soldiers. I'm just really disappointed that this house could be scaled back because most of the talk so far has been about the one issue rather than being hyped for what once was the most anticipated house. Put a clearly visible warning sign, warn the scaractors of the potential dangers posed in this one specific house and that should be sufficient IMO.

I very, very, very seriously doubt that because of our mere conversation here that you will see anything in this house scaled back at all. Universal is well aware of the liabilities imposed for this event, not to mention a house of such nature. They will offer the appropriate signage warning guests of what they are about to experience...beyond that there really isn't much more they can do.

People have pscyhological reactions to various things, whether it's PTSD, chainsaws or just being scared in general. Universal takes all of that into consideration but also relies on the guests using their own judgement as well.

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Without getting into the whole PTSD argument I would like to say that it is good to see how far we have come in sensitivity to this problem since the First World War.

In that conflict soldiers suffering from shell shock were expected to return to the front as soon as possible and those who would or could not were shot for cowardice.

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Legacy,

I have the UTMOST respect for you and your fellow servicemen. Lots of people think you're a bunch of nuckledraggers wasting their tax dollars and all that crap, I'm not one of them. But part of what you guys are fighting for is our freedom...and that includes freedom of expression and freedom of speech. The freedom to have an event like this that would be forbidden in many other countries. To have scantily clad girls working the event and not covering their entire body except for their eyes. The freedom to have the alcohol flowing. Etc.

Think of the Orphanage from last year. People who were orphaned as children and grew up in an orphanage could have been traumatized.

Cindy burned down the orphanage killing those inside.

Psychotherapy is a play on the mentally ill.

Many houses contain a killer who kills multiple people, some in quite common ways, that could affect many.

Houses have mock electrocutions/drownings/hangings/gunshot victims where an attendee may have lost a loved one to a similar incident.

There is a risk of upsetting all these people. EVERYTHING at this event could offend people.

I have so much respect for our military that I won't assume vets would be unable to attend a haunted house. And I stand by my Call of Duty comparison, I think it's quite valid. Yes, you are staring into a box playing a game that you are prepared to play...but going into a house, which lasts maybe 5 minutes and has lots of exits available and you KNOW going in is just as fake as the game is a similar situation. You are mentally prepared for the house...and nobody knows your personal mental situation better than you. If you have ANY doubt about being able to handle the house, avoid it. You KNOW it contains war scenes. If you're in line and get close to the building and hear machine gun fire and explosions and it makes you anxious, turn around and don't do it. I don't see how you could get so immersed that you think what's around you is REAL. Especially with the supernatural elements. The sounds and some scenes could invoke a startling reaction, but I don't see how you could mistake it as real.

Maybe Universal needs a sign like the "May cause motion sickness" signs by the rides saying something like "Warning: Contains realistic scenes of war" or something like that.

And this isn't an argument or anything like that, just engaging in intellectual conversation that presents itself here and over at Rumors. Of course, feel free to say I'm a stupid civilian who has no clue what the hell he's talking about. You, and other members of any branch of the military, have CERTAINLY earned that right!

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42 out of 46 posts are about concerns over people having PTSD including people threatening to boycott the entire event rather than just avoiding the one house? I understand it's a legitimate issue to a minority, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. So far I've only seen a single person who actually claims to have PTSD and they have the common sense to take precautions and not go. The Nightingales are the aggressors, not the soldiers. I'm just really disappointed that this house could be scaled back because most of the talk so far has been about the one issue rather than being hyped for what once was the most anticipated house. Put a clearly visible warning sign, warn the scaractors of the potential dangers posed in this one specific house and that should be sufficient IMO.

I feel like this post was missed.

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I feel like this post was missed.

Ditto. I have a lot of respect for the military, but I really think we've made this into a huge production when it's only an issue for a select few. You know what this house is about. You know there may be some ambiant gun or mortar fire. If you aren't 100% you can't handle it, don't do it. Scare actor injury is a necessary evil of this event - it's going to happen in all of the houses this year, war related or not.

Can we please use this thread for actual discussion about the house, especially since we have a LOT of new info from the site that hasn't even been mentioned, and if anything have a dedicated thread for the PTSD talk?

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Legacy sent me a VERY enlightening PM about my comments, and there's one thing I'd like to share:

Think of this...a friend sneaks up behind you and yells, "Booo!". What do you do? You jump of course because he scared you...much like the scareactors do at this event. It's something ingrained in your brain that is a split second reaction that you have no way to stop. You know that your buddy isn't going to do anything bad, yet you jump.

Our millitary is trained to INSTANTLY react to any perceived threat. It's the only thing that can keeps them alive in a hostile environment. Through repetition, it's ingrained in them. Their "fight or flight" reactions are something they can't deny and imperative to their survival. Something like this, while a known "safe" surrounding could still trigger an involuntary reaction in our servicemen and women...much like your "safe" friend, significant other, or spouse can still manage to scare you.

This is something I NEVER considered and it makes me think differently about this house and how it may affect the people that are fighting for the freedoms many of us take for granted.

I'll leave my comments above for the sake of the discussion, but those of you who may have seen this a "non-issue" like I did, might want to read this post over a couple times and see if you don't see things in a different light.

EDIT - fixed some stupid typos and ramblings to make this appear to be written in English

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I still don't really see it as any more of an issue than any high startle haunted house... and my brother who's diagnosed with PTSD and the guys who also have it that he talked to agree. Something "might" happen where it can be a problem, but that's true at many many places... That being said I still think there's not much use in worrying about it we'll just have to see what happens when the time comes.

I've been thinking about it and it kind of seems to me like the only part of the house where you're out in a "combat" situation could be the facade of the house, which would make sense with that concept art we saw earlier where you walk through a trench. After that I bet you're going to spend most of the rest of the house in a "hospital" type of place since that's where the nurses would be most of the time...

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Legacy sent me a VERY enlightening PM about my comments, and there's one thing I'd like to share:

Think of this...a friend sneaks up behind you and yells, "Booo!". What do you do? You jump of course because he scared you...much like the scareactors do at this event. It's something ingrained in your brain that is a split second reaction that you have no way to stop. You know that your buddy isn't going to do anything bad, yet you jump.

Our millitary is trained to INSTANTLY react to any perceived threat. It's the only thing that can keeps them alive in a hostile environment. Through repetition, it's ingrained in them. Their "fight or flight" reactions are something they can't deny and imperative to their survival. Something like this, while a known "safe" surrounding could still trigger an involuntary reaction in our servicemen and women...much like your "safe" friend, significant other, or spouse can still manage to scare you.

This is something I NEVER considered and it makes me think differently about this house and how it may affect the people that are fighting for the freedoms many of us take for granted.

I'll leave my comments above for the sake of the discussion, but those of you who may have seen this a "non-issue" like I did, might want to read this post over a couple times and see if you don't see things in a different light.

EDIT - fixed some stupid typos and ramblings to make this appear to be written in English

just when i started to feel safe about this house.......

But I just want to say Uni cannot babysit anybody, I mean, I don't know, I still say put giant Warning signs everywhere and Enter at own risk, meaning, be responsible for your own actions, and if cannot handle the house Don't go in.. :mellow:

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I still don't really see it as any more of an issue than any high startle haunted house... and my brother who's diagnosed with PTSD and the guys who also have it that he talked to agree. Something "might" happen where it can be a problem, but that's true at many many places... That being said I still think there's not much use in worrying about it we'll just have to see what happens when the time comes.

I've been thinking about it and it kind of seems to me like the only part of the house where you're out in a "combat" situation could be the facade of the house, which would make sense with that concept art we saw earlier where you walk through a trench. After that I bet you're going to spend most of the rest of the house in a "hospital" type of place since that's where the nurses would be most of the time...

I have to agree. What makes this house so special? I really don't get it. Yes, it has a War theme, but we've had those before. Anything that is startling could trigger a reaction. This argument could have been brought up years ago and it still would have been the same.

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I still don't really see it as any more of an issue than any high startle haunted house... and my brother who's diagnosed with PTSD and the guys who also have it that he talked to agree. Something "might" happen where it can be a problem, but that's true at many many places... That being said I still think there's not much use in worrying about it we'll just have to see what happens when the time comes.

I've been thinking about it and it kind of seems to me like the only part of the house where you're out in a "combat" situation could be the facade of the house, which would make sense with that concept art we saw earlier where you walk through a trench. After that I bet you're going to spend most of the rest of the house in a "hospital" type of place since that's where the nurses would be most of the time...

Actually, I think one of the problems is that the "combat" environment will be towards the end of the house. From a creative perspective it's an easy finale and it matches the backstory hinted on the website ("...the sounds of battle are closer now"). While quite effective, if the first part of the house sounds hides the intensity of the end, that would lead to a false sense of security.

just when i started to feel safe about this house.......

But I just want to say Uni cannot babysit anybody, I mean, I don't know, I still say put giant Warning signs everywhere and Enter at own risk, meaning, be responsible for your own actions, and if cannot handle the house Don't go in.. :mellow:

Again, guests (outside of any potential PTSD sufferers) should have nothing to worry. My concern is for the scareactors who would be the ones experiencing the fight or flight response.

I have to agree. What makes this house so special? I really don't get it. Yes, it has a War theme, but we've had those before. Anything that is startling could trigger a reaction. This argument could have been brought up years ago and it still would have been the same.

War is different. Veterans who can watch Transformers, with all the explosions and gunfire in that, might not be able to watch Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down which has fewer explosions. The context is different. That's why this war house is such a potential game-changer and why I feel the discussion is valid now.

It isn't just "startles," that attribute to PTSD. One movie my father (a Vietnam veteran) couldn't watch without getting nightmares was, "Born on the Fourth of July," a film that has a fairly low percentage of combat. It was the context, however, and it hit too close to home for him. Considering Nightingales is a combat hospital, I expect this to be a fairly gruesome house (something that hasn't really been mentioned yet) and that can hit too close to home for someone who has witnessed the effects of IED.

I want to go ahead and post this. This was a message I sent to Oysterhead00 in response to his earlier post. Yes, it's long, but I hope it explains my concerns and my context to a greater extent.

I wanted to address your post, but obviously take it out of the thread. To be honest, I was trying to avoid starting the PTSD discussion before the event for this very reason. It wasn’t until I had been mentioned multiple times (without having posted in the thread) that I felt the need to get involved and the discussion exploded exactly as I expected. However, since you seem interested in at least gaining a greater understanding on the situation and where I’m coming from (or that’s how I perceive your stance) I do want continue the discourse. I don’t believe there is a “stupid” civilian. However, there are misinformed or inexperienced civilians. I’m not phrasing it that way to be insulting (I know it kind of sounds that way), it’s just an observational statement. I hope this discussion helps provide a different view on PTSD and how the military mind works.

First, I need to state that one of the key triggers in developing PTSD is severe bodily harm or death. Witnessing a traumatic death (such as a shooting, explosion, crash or murder), causing death, or being threatened with severe bodily injury for extended period of time is what develops the deep-seated psychological turmoil that leads to PTSD. That’s one of the reasons not every Service Member develops it, and it typically occurs in Infantry, Military Police or the unlucky victims of random mortar attacks. During war (regardless of the war), that death comes with an explosion or a hail of bullets, and lots of blood. Those visual and aural cues (which is something I’ll keep referring back to) lead to the death that is a primary cause of the disorder. Even military training, those there is no “actual” death; we are training in life-and-death situations and so develop a similar mindset where failure equals loss of life.

I have seen multiple comparisons to previous houses (specifically Psychoscarepy) in the various discussions I have had about this and while, I feel, they are quite valiant; I also believe they are quite broken. And I feel that for several reasons, especially when attempting to use it as an “apples to apples” comparison. True, mental disorders are an unfortunate occurrence in society however there is no obvious visual or aural cues that are associated with them on a daily basis or an extended period of time. The only individuals who would have that sort of association with them would be individuals who have actually been committed to psychiatric hospitals. Even then, without the threat of death, the likelihood of those individuals developing PTSD is unlikely.

Your comparison to Orfanage is more appropriate, but not for the “raised in an orphanage” reason you provided. An individual who lived through a house fire, and more importantly witness the loss of someone in a house fire would more likely suffer from PTSD than simply someone who was adopted. Similarly, unless someone was seriously injured or witnessed an actual death caused by a killer in their home there would be no PTSD associated with it.

Yes, individuals may have lost loved ones to the incidents you listed, and tragically so, however unless they witnessed it the amount of stress doesn’t compare to what a Service Member potentially deals with on a daily basis. A more tragically accurate comparison would be the survivor of a plane crash, where multiple people died. That could cause PTSD. However, it is a much rarer occurrence than war (and having survivors is even more unusual), and the singular incidence still wouldn’t equate to being surrounded by death for multiple months.

(Disclaimer – I am not a mental health professional. I’m just explaining the causes of PTSD as I understand them through my fundamental training and interactions with sufferers.)

The Call of Duty comparison, while appropriate in regards to successfully recreating war, cannot compare to the immersion one feels in a haunted house. Yes, both are known as fake. Yes, both provide escapes. However, something that sounds like a gunshot behind a combat Veteran, or sneaking up on their periphery while playing the game would cause a completely different reaction than something similar happening within the game itself. There are accounts of violence because a friend or Family Member snuck up behind a veteran who was playing the game. The game was the escape, true, but being surprised from behind in the real world. That’s the big difference between the game and a haunted house. Houses succeed on that misdirection that causes you to be surprised from the side. While what’s in front of Veteran may be escapism, everything else that he doesn’t see could be a “threat” to him.

That segues into one of the bigger liabilities of the house, and that is training. With the comparisons you made (the orphanage, asylum, and murderer ones), that ignores the fact that very few people are actually trained into developing an instinctive, reactionary response to any triggers they may encounter. Combat veterans, on the other hand, are; with a swift and severe reaction at that. Before combat, drills are done countless times, for hours, so that their response is immediate. And it is absolutely a “shoot first” mentality because you don’t have much time to consider your options in combat. I’ve seen an off-duty cop hit a scareactor because the scareactor approached them on the wrong side (they appeared suddenly on the cop’s gun-side, so the cop instinctively protected his gun even though he wasn’t wearing it). Those are the sorts of reactions I don’t want to see, especially in a predominately female house.

This brings us into the biggest liability: The actual veterans who are guests. We know that guests don’t read signs or maps, so to assume that all the guests who enter the event actually know that there is a war house is a massive leap. They don’t read warning signs. Most hardly pay attention to anything until they get to a scarezone or house. So, it’s highly probably that a veteran won’t even realize he is standing in line for a war house until he is standing in front of it. Now, at that moment the veteran can go through the house or get out of the line and say it may be too much for him. If that Veteran has been diagnosed with PTSD, and knows his limits he may get out. But, the more likely scenario is that he is with a girlfriend or wife and their friends, and waited in line for an hour. To step out that point would be damaging to his self-esteem and irritate him because he waited in line and either can’t experience the house with his party or his party won’t experience it because of him. With those things running through his mind (especially if he hasn’t been diagnosed), he will grin, bear it, play the Veteran and act fine.

And that’s really where my concern comes in.

Service Members rarely admit weakness, and a not going through a haunted house (because it’s just a haunted house) would be doing just that. So, rather than admit their potential weakness, they are more likely to put themselves in a situation that they shouldn’t be in.

I’m viewing Nightingales from several angles; as a scareactor (who doesn’t want to see other scareactors getting hit), as a Soldier (who hates having to stifle how I’ve been trained to react because I’m in civies), as a military leader/Officer (who dreads a phone call that one of my Soldiers was arrested for hitting a scareactor), as a government contractor whose job is community outreach for the Army Reserves and as a guest who simply wants the best house experience possible. My personal opinion is that war as a “theme” is in poor taste for a horror event (especially during war-time), but I recognized that my opinion doesn’t matter that much in the grand scheme of things. Universal isn’t going to tone things down because of the opinions expressed on the forums, and to assume they would over-estimates our influence on them.

I am not a combat veteran, though I know many. I know many sufferers of PTSD, most of which refuse to go get diagnosed. I know many combat veterans who love Halloween Horror Nights but don’t read up on the event prior to going. In my mind, it’s an explosive cocktail. All I want in this is for nobody to get hurt.

This became much longer than I thought it would, but I hope you understand where I am coming from.

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After now reading more about the backstory of this house, I really think that we will see most of the scenes taking place in a hospital or medical environment. Certainly there may be a combat scene here or there, but if the nightingales can take any form, then their prescence isn't restricted to the battlefield.

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It's a little late, I know, but I wanted to put in my two cents on this issue. I really feel like this issue has gotten way out of hand as this thread has three pages and the thread discussing the actual house only has one. I would like to preface this by saying I have no military training or experience (I have, however, gotten the opinion of my best friend of 20 years who just got out of the USMC after doing two tours in Kuwait totaling 13 months). His opinion, which I share, is that anyone with PTSD/Shellshock knows that they have this condition and are being treated. They probably avoid events like HHN in general to avoid being startled and having to resort to the military "fight or flight" instincts. My father-in-law (who served 26 years as part of Miami-Metro Dade police) avoids the event for the exact same reason.

My friend's opinion is that USO should continue posting warnings like they normally do. He doesn't see any reason to single out military personnel, but feels a general "This house has scenes with graphic war violence, if scenes of such nature will adversely affect you, please do not enter" would suffice as people who have never seen military combat may be affected by the scenes as well. He doesn't feel that any "extreme precautions" need to be taken in regards to scareactor safety or OPS is concerned in this house since (as history has proven) the drunks/ easily startled/ generally douchebaggy guests attempt to harm scareactors in every house of every theme every year.

Finally, in regards to people "checking out" the house to make sure it's ok for veterans or current military personnel alike, I disagree completely. This is the only example I can use to back my reasoning: I have stated publicly that I have a neurological disorder/ brain defect that causes me to have seizures. I wouldn't want someone with Epilepsy (or any other seizure disorder) "judging/checking out/okaying" a house with heavy strobes or other seizure triggers for me, since what triggers their seizures may not be the same as what triggers mine. No offense, but I certainly wouldn't want someone along the lines of an EMT, having never experienced a seizure but having studied them a great deal and knowing their causes and warning signs, going through a house and telling me it's "all clear." I would find this not only offensive, but insulting as well, to be lumped in to some generic category of "seizure people" who seem to have no personal control or knowledge of their condition.

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i don't think the PSTD will make a big difference. i mean we had Havoc last year, didnt we? And its kinda obvious not to go in when its based on ww1.

last year we had havoc. a bunch of people in (somewhat) army attire scaring people. there was even that one part with the heavily armored dude shooting a very realistic looking and sounding gun. no one went bonkers. i doubt anything will happen this year

From my previous post:

"I have seen multiple comparisons to previous houses (specifically Psychoscarepy) in the various discussions I have had about this and while, I feel, they are quite valiant; I also believe they are quite broken. And I feel that for several reasons, especially when attempting to use it as an “apples to apples” comparison. True, mental disorders are an unfortunate occurrence in society however there is no obvious visual or aural cues that are associated with them on a daily basis or an extended period of time. The only individuals who would have that sort of association with them would be individuals who have actually been committed to psychiatric hospitals. Even then, without the threat of death, the likelihood of those individuals developing PTSD is unlikely.

Your comparison to Orfanage is more appropriate, but not for the “raised in an orphanage” reason you provided. An individual who lived through a house fire, and more importantly witness the loss of someone in a house fire would more likely suffer from PTSD than simply someone who was adopted. Similarly, unless someone was seriously injured or witnessed an actual death caused by a killer in their home there would be no PTSD associated with it.

Yes, individuals may have lost loved ones to the incidents you listed, and tragically so, however unless they witnessed it the amount of stress doesn’t compare to what a Service Member potentially deals with on a daily basis. A more tragically accurate comparison would be the survivor of a plane crash, where multiple people died. That could cause PTSD. However, it is a much rarer occurrence than war (and having survivors is even more unusual), and the singular incidence still wouldn’t equate to being surrounded by death for multiple months."

Havoc was not "war." They aren't the same.

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From my previous post:

"I have seen multiple comparisons to previous houses (specifically Psychoscarepy) in the various discussions I have had about this and while, I feel, they are quite valiant; I also believe they are quite broken. And I feel that for several reasons, especially when attempting to use it as an “apples to apples” comparison. True, mental disorders are an unfortunate occurrence in society however there is no obvious visual or aural cues that are associated with them on a daily basis or an extended period of time. The only individuals who would have that sort of association with them would be individuals who have actually been committed to psychiatric hospitals. Even then, without the threat of death, the likelihood of those individuals developing PTSD is unlikely.

Your comparison to Orfanage is more appropriate, but not for the “raised in an orphanage” reason you provided. An individual who lived through a house fire, and more importantly witness the loss of someone in a house fire would more likely suffer from PTSD than simply someone who was adopted. Similarly, unless someone was seriously injured or witnessed an actual death caused by a killer in their home there would be no PTSD associated with it.

Yes, individuals may have lost loved ones to the incidents you listed, and tragically so, however unless they witnessed it the amount of stress doesn’t compare to what a Service Member potentially deals with on a daily basis. A more tragically accurate comparison would be the survivor of a plane crash, where multiple people died. That could cause PTSD. However, it is a much rarer occurrence than war (and having survivors is even more unusual), and the singular incidence still wouldn’t equate to being surrounded by death for multiple months."

Havoc was not "war." They aren't the same.

Havoc Dogs of "War"

did it take place in an actual war sometime in history? no, but again there was enough atmosphere to give off the whole military/war/hostile enviornment thing. It had a war theme and had gun fire/explosion sounds/ect, and as far as i can remember nothing bad happend.

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Havoc Dogs of "War"

did it take place in an actual war sometime in history? no, but again there was enough atmosphere to give off the whole military/war/hostile enviornment thing. It had a war theme and had gun fire/explosion sounds/ect, and as far as i can remember nothing bad happend.

Read about what causes PTSD and how it can be triggered. Havoc was pure fantasy. Trenches, tanks, and WW1 are not. They do not compare.

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