HHN Hollywood 2012 Speculation

[DTH316]

I don't think Universal is going to take the risk and cross promote with another studio's film, as it didn't pan out so well for their own film last year (The Thing).

Let's not forget, the producers are also the same people in charge of Saw, Paranormal Activity, Chernobyl Diaries, Dead Silence and.... *drum roll* LORDS OF SALEM.

Cross promoting with Rob Zombie though? I can see that happening. Also of importance, there's an amusement park in Salem known as Salem Willows Pier, where Rob Zombie shot the film on location.

http://www.onlocatio...nd-los-angeles/

"According to Patch, the Salem shoot also took place at the Salem Willows Pier, Greenlawn Cemetery, the Witch Trials Memorial, and Engine House Pizza. But there was no mention of any filming at the Salem Pioneer Village which Zombie scouted earlier this year."

Edited June 17, 2012 by DTH316

[Ridesandstuff]

Has anyone found something that cold point to the theme of classic cowboy?

[DTH316]

There is indeed. But if I told you, I'd have to kill you

Narrowed down all the possible connections to the codenames so far. Here is the very short list for 2012 (in order of most likely):

The Walking Dead

Lords of Salem

Alice Cooper

Silent Hill

The Exorcist

The Descent

Poltergeist

Edited June 17, 2012 by DTH316

[Ridesandstuff]

A tweet I found interesting

@HorrorNights: When you googled vargas paintings were you referring to a specific painting or the style of his paintings?

lolahermosa was researching the look of the girls in his paintings but ended up going more in the direction of the pop artist Coop

I looked up coops paintings, pretty much all of them consist of busty women, so silent hill and trick e treat are looking strong right now

[AsylumSB]

Has anyone found something that cold point to the theme of classic cowboy?

There are so many direct and indirect related paths to alot of the properties in question. Since its mainly for fun, I mostly like thinking outside of the box for this thread. Johnny Carpenter (or John as he is referred to in some of his films), is an old western/cowboy star who was acquaintances with Ed Wood (yep, that Ed Wood). One of the films that John Carpenter was cast and Ed Wood directed was Bride of the Ghoul. The film dealt with someone who claimed to talk to the dead who were imprisoned or in need of help. My first thought was The Frighteners (loved the film) due to its association with Universal, but then thought Poltergeist through the song connection. Rock Me Amadeus was parodied in both The Simpsons and Family Guy and referred directly to the composer (The problem with this is I think the song entered the charts in 1986, not 1987). While not directly connected, Family Guy had the episode "Petergeist", a rip of the horror film. Here is where I go so way out that I may never return: The Arizona Cardinals, never a Super Bowl winner, were originally from Chicago...the locale for the third Poltergeist film. Or maybe I should continue ending my posts with "I got Nuthin'"

[DTH316]

^ Very odd and roundabout way to get to the answer lol

The way to crack Murdy's codenames honestly aren't that complex. Remember last year? They were all VERY simple to crack once you had enough clues.

3DN - 3 Dogs Night - Eli's Coming = Hostel

Steven - Album Artist & Character in = Welcome to My Nightmare

Bunny Gibbons - Carny car at Ed Gein exhibit (or something like that) - Ed Gein is a highlight in = House of 1000 Corpses

GV Black - Fillings creator - aliens can only reanimate living tissue = The Thing

The answers are always staring you right in the face. And as humans, we tend to over think things.

Edited June 18, 2012 by DTH316

[AsylumSB]

^ Very odd and roundabout way to get to the answer lol

The answers are always staring you right in the face. And as humans, we tend to over think things.

Rare free time + Internet + Horror Night Nightmares = Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance

[Freak]

You know, we have all talked about the houses, but not much of the Terror Tram. Probably because there is no clues so far regarding it.

Whenever I have gone on the tram, I did notice that the chain link fences and wooden posts are still there from last year. I wonder if they're going to use them again. I think it's safe to say at this point that we will still be dropped off at the same location as always.

[Perse]

I guessed silent hill for the code name contest a while back so I'm hoping it's it! Anyway I asked Murdy about it and here's what he said: @Roooben182 I've only tried playing the game once, couldn't get past a certain point so I gave up. My game skills are lacking

I can't tell you enough how upset I would be if Hollywood got a Silent Hill maze and I'm stuck in Orlando. One can dream...

[Ridesandstuff]

Lets start then hahaha, since there will be a new path, I'm gonna guess that WotW set and the psycho set will not be used as mentioned in the survey. The Franchise set usually always has something cute gone wrong( i.e. clowns, nightmares, dolls, psycho band nerds) so I guests we can assume something along those lines will be put there.

[DTH316]

Terror Tram can't go in any other route than finishing with War of the Worlds after being dropped off at Whoville.

If you go left, you run into the now new show Mockingbird Lane and the former Wisteria Lane sets.

If you go right, well, you're just walking up the road to where the tram usually picks you up and it would be a VERY short Terror Tram.

The new route has to be additional to what's already there. So more hills, more curves around things, more "sheets maze/fence maze," etc..

Also, forgot to mention before, Universal often uses films from the Lionsgate library and have since 09 every year (Saw, My Bloody Valentine, House of 1000 Corpses, Hostel). Do ya think that relationship will continue? The new Texas Chainsaw Massacre & The Descent (two rumored films for this year) are from Lionsgate. Also there's the upcoming Leprechaun: Origins (doubt it), Cabin in the Woods (would love that), Madea's Witness Protection (I shutter to think) and the recent Hostel: Part III which was released in 2011.

Edited June 19, 2012 by DTH316

[Ridesandstuff]

^Seem likley, it's good for both studious. Hhn is able to feature it and lionsgate gets notoriety for their film.

[Ridesandstuff]

OH MY GAWD!!! DTH I know which one you're talking about for the walking dead. I didn't even mean to find it, just kind of stumbled upon it. Good luck in the competition.

[Stitch_101]

Wow I'm behind on my HHN gossip... I guess I'll just jump in with m thoughts on this years clues so far. And FYI I'm goin on the clues that are provided in The Code Name Cheat sheet, so I may have missed other hints not posted there.

Maze 1 - I see The Exorcist and The Polergiest seem to be the favorites for this maze, but in my opinion all the clues seem to be pointing to the return of La Llorona. The clues pointed to the song "Suffer Little Children'" and as we know the legend of La Llorona is about a woman who drowned her children. La Llorona was on November's survey, as I remember (I could be wrong, I no loger have a copy saved) And would also fit the clue that there are mazes set in 3 different countries, as it is set in Mexico.

Now my opinion on the idea the it's either The Exorcist or Poltergiest. I can see where everyone came to the conclusion based on the hint about Dick Smith... But It seems to me that people are taking "a character inspired by a Dick Smith creation" to mean "A maze based on a film worked on." This clue, in m own opinion, means nothing more than there is a character inspired by his work, possible an homage to The Exorcist. Then again I could very well be wrong lol.

Wow, that was longer then I expected... Ok goin to do some digging into maze 2 for a bit... Let's see what I can come up with.

[Ridesandstuff]

^possible, but I don't see much of a resemblance with any of dick smith's creations and universal's version of la llorona

[Grindhousehero13]

Bunny Gibbons - Carny car at Ed Gein exhibit (or something like that) - Ed Gein is a highlight in = House of 1000 Corpses

it was the freakshow that featured Ed Gein's Car just FYI lol

Also, forgot to mention before, Universal often uses films from the Lionsgate library and have since 09 every year (Saw, My Bloody Valentine, House of 1000 Corpses, Hostel). Do ya think that relationship will continue? Cabin in the Woods (would love that),

just asking can we connect any of the clues to cabin in the woods?

Wow I'm behind on my HHN gossip... I guess I'll just jump in with m thoughts on this years clues so far. And FYI I'm goin on the clues that are provided in The Code Name Cheat sheet, so I may have missed other hints not posted there.

Maze 1 - I see The Exorcist and The Polergiest seem to be the favorites for this maze, but in my opinion all the clues seem to be pointing to the return of La Llorona. The clues pointed to the song "Suffer Little Children'" and as we know the legend of La Llorona is about a woman who drowned her children. La Llorona was on November's survey, as I remember (I could be wrong, I no loger have a copy saved) And would also fit the clue that there are mazes set in 3 different countries, as it is set in Mexico.

Now my opinion on the idea the it's either The Exorcist or Poltergiest. I can see where everyone came to the conclusion based on the hint about Dick Smith... But It seems to me that people are taking "a character inspired by a Dick Smith creation" to mean "A maze based on a film worked on." This clue, in m own opinion, means nothing more than there is a character inspired by his work, possible an homage to The Exorcist. Then again I could very well be wrong lol.

Wow, that was longer then I expected... Ok goin to do some digging into maze 2 for a bit... Let's see what I can come up with.

Im with you I realy dont see either or happening, I can see La Llorona coming back but and I would like it back but I think its not to be, and actualy since the song Suffer little children is about child murderers I can see it being TrT.

[Ridesandstuff]

hhmmm..child murderers, are there anymore properties that could point to that?

Edited June 19, 2012 by Ridesandstuff

[Freak]

just asking can we connect any of the clues to cabin in the woods?

Hey, don't forget, TCM is now owned by Lionsgate.

hhmmm..child murderers, are there anymore properties that could point to that?

The Changeling.

Oooooohhhhh boy. That was waaaaay back.

[00nightcrawler]

Freddy is a child murderer. A 4th Freddy maze! Anyone? Anyone?

Edited June 20, 2012 by 00nightcrawler

[Ridesandstuff]

^I would cry....

[Freak]

Freddy is child murderer. A 4th Freddy maze! Anyone? Anyone?

I really doubt Murdy would stoop that low haha.

Maybe children could be "older kids" from the original TCM? That's REEEALLY a stretch.

[DTH316]

Maze 1 - I see The Exorcist and The Polergiest seem to be the favorites for this maze, but in my opinion all the clues seem to be pointing to the return of La Llorona. The clues pointed to the song "Suffer Little Children'" and as we know the legend of La Llorona is about a woman who drowned her children. La Llorona was on November's survey, as I remember (I could be wrong, I no loger have a copy saved) And would also fit the clue that there are mazes set in 3 different countries, as it is set in Mexico.

Now my opinion on the idea the it's either The Exorcist or Poltergiest. I can see where everyone came to the conclusion based on the hint about Dick Smith... But It seems to me that people are taking "a character inspired by a Dick Smith creation" to mean "A maze based on a film worked on." This clue, in m own opinion, means nothing more than there is a character inspired by his work, possible an homage to The Exorcist. Then again I could very well be wrong lol.

Wow, that was longer then I expected... Ok goin to do some digging into maze 2 for a bit... Let's see what I can come up with.

Dammit, you may be right about it being La Llorona again. Murdy named some England town in last year's hints too (this time, Manchester being one). And La Llorona IS on the survey. The only thing I can't connect is the Dick Smith thing. Earlier in the year, before Monsterpalooza, Murdy said his special guest has to deal DIRECTLY with HHN this year. Then his recent hints say, "inspired by a make up creation." Now considering Dick Smith isn't actually backstage doing the make up for everyone, I think technically anyone being made into that character is inspired by a Dick Smith creation. But I don't know, I suppose La Llorona's make up could've been based on one of his more obscure films. If so, the truly high expectation that was The Exorcist or Poltergeist has no become something kinda disappointing. As much as I LOVED this maze, the prospect of one of those two were the epitome of awesomness and what haunt fans want to see at HHN. Hopefully, there's enough changes to warrant its return. If not, it could be worse. We could be getting HOTC for a third time or Hostel again.

just asking can we connect any of the clues to cabin in the woods?

Im with you I realy dont see either or happening, I can see La Llorona coming back but and I would like it back but I think its not to be, and actualy since the song Suffer little children is about child murderers I can see it being TrT.

I've been trying to connect clues to Cabin in the Woods but no dice so far. I'd love that but I don't see it happening. The ending may be just TOO much to handle for a maze.

As for TrT, child killers weren't really a prominent thing in that movie. He killed one kid and it's not entirely certain if he killed more. Every time children pop up, people always mention TrT and I find that funny, as that's the last thing I think of when thinking of the horrors from that film haha.

Freddy is a child murderer. A 4th Freddy maze! Anyone? Anyone?

Don't even joke! Unless it's FvJ, which I know many of you would hate either way. Personally, I'd love it.

I really doubt Murdy would stoop that low haha.

Maybe children could be "older kids" from the original TCM? That's REEEALLY a stretch.

Yeah, quite a stretch. It's probably something a tad disappointing like La Llorona returning anyway. Oh well. *shrugs*

[Stitch_101]

As far as the Dick Smith creation... One of his lesser know films he worked on is called "Ghost Story." Check out some of the creatures he created for it... I could see them fitting into the La Llorona theme very easly.

And now for Maze 2

Maze 2 - So general thoughts on this is The Walking Dead, and I agree. Firstly the NFL team that has never won a super bowl= Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta is the primary location of at least the first season of The Walking Dead. So that's one connection. Secondly, actor Andrew Lincoln has said that one of his biggest influences for his characters of Rick was Gary Copper's performance in the western "High Noon." Gary Cooper was well know for his western films, which would match how John sorta changed his hint from classic cowboy to famous cowboy.

Now onto the song... This was the tough one, but I think I finally narrowed it down. I believe the song he was hinting at is R.E.M's 1987 hit "It's The End Of The World As We Know It." It was one of 2 of REM's songs to break into the top 100 during that year, though the other topped higher. The song mention's Leonard Bernstein, a famouse composer who died in 1990. The song was alsoffer tired in episode of 8 of season 6 of Family Guy when Peter has a stroke, as well as the 3rd episode of The Simpsons during it's 13th season called Homer the Moe.

Edit: Almost forgot 2 things!!! Firstly, in the cheat sheet, for maze 2, you have a clue wrong. The clue is actually that there is a character who shares a name with one of his cats (Gracie, Maggie, Hiedi.) Maggie is a character in The Walkig Dead. Also, the RV would match the hint of a vehicle bigger then a car in 2 mazes.

Ok, again that was a mouth full... So I guess in conclusion we can assume "Classic Cowboy" is "The Walking Dead." That was a much harder one to crack then the first... Let's see how I far with maze 3...

And a bit of news from John on twitter. He posted the following: "Finished the treatment for maze #4 (code name Quigley), this one is film based. Gonna be a unique casting challenge. On to HOH, scarezones."

Not a whole lot more info to go on for that maze... It's going to prove tricky to crack.

Edited June 20, 2012 by Stitch_101

[Mr. Cleaver]

Maze 2 - So general thoughts on this is The Walking Dead, and I agree. Firstly the NFL team that has never won a super bowl= Atlanta Seahawks.

Seattle Seahawks. Atlanta has the Falcons. Since neither have won a super bowl, this doesn't change your logic. I just had to point that out.

Carry on.

[Stitch_101]

Oops haha... I've been lost in research so much stuff is blending together. Thanks for correction, I fixed it in my post :-)

So now my thought on Maze 3

Maze 3 - So I started here by looking up possible links between Silent Hill and the clues provided. I see where some aspects fit:

Cotton candy smell - amusement park featured in sequel

Florence Nightingale - Silent Hill Nurses

Silent Hill's homage and inspiration drawn from Dante's Inferno

I also found out that the Silent Hill sequel coming out this fall is produced by Lionsgate (Open house is the US distributor) which could fit DTH's observation that Lionsgate has had a property featured every year for the last few years.

But I also came across some thing that make me believe that the maze is in fact not a Silent Hill themed haunt.

First we know it is inspired by Dante's Inferno. Throughout Inferno, as well as the Divine Comedy itself, the seven deadly sins are a stand out theme. 

We also know dutch painter Hieronymus Bosch is an influence of the maze as well. One of his more famous paintings is "The Seven Deadly Sins and the Four Last Thing." We know that Dante and Inferno won't be in the name of the maze, but the letter D will be, so it could be possible it could be called Deadly Sin's for example.

Now to get to the items that John said he googled while designing the maze:

motivational art - Sloth (laziness, lack of motivation)

Liposuction - Pride (vanity in the way one looks)

Las Vegas Buffet - Gluttony (I think this one explains itself) and could also have a tie with greed... Why specify a Las Vegas  buffet? And what US city personifies greed more then Las Vegas?

Florence Nightingale - Lust (Florence Nightingale effect or syndrome is when a person in a caregiving capacity like a doctor or nurse falls in love with or becomes sexually infatuated with someone they are caring for)  

Vargas Girl - Envy ( Vargas was famous for pin up girls, women who were the male idea of the perfect woman)

Animal Hoarding - Greed (again, I think rather self explanatory)

Now my only bump with this line of reasoning is the Franklin Expedition. The remaining sin is wrath, and I'm not sure how the Franklin Expedition would refer to wrath.

Now lastly we have the scent of cotton candy. While cotton candy is usually associated with amusement parks or circus's, in reality it could be used in MANY different ways in a maze. Possibly featured in a scene of Gluttony (which would probably ruin my appetite for cotton candy for the rest of my life) or, if this is a semi original maze could be used in any number of scene's John can think up.

Now I know it's also been said that this is based on an existing artistic creation. That could mean a movie, a tv show, a video game, a book, a song, or even a painting. The seven deadly sins have had a big impact on culture and artistic creation for hundreds of years, so take your pick of one that the maze could be based on. 

So in conclusion, while there is some evidence to suggest Silent Hill, I think the evidence is far more strongly in favor of a "Seven Deadly Sins" maze.  That's what I'm putting my money on.

Edited June 20, 2012 by Stitch_101