HHN Hollywood 2012 Speculation

[DTH316]

Does the 2011 hint pertain to any specific codename?

[00nightcrawler]

^ Not that I know of. And what does the auction have to do with anything? Not trying to steal ideas haha just confused, I know youre hinting at Trick r Treat, but where did the playboy auction come from

Edited June 15, 2012 by 00nightcrawler

[DTH316]

It's part of the hint to Dante. It's also the same hint that pertains to cotton candy. Everything else doesn't connect though

[Grindhousehero13]

Child's Play 3 had an amusement park-esque part near the end lol

hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm? interesting thought, we could get a "LEGIT" Chucky maze

Just speculation, Master Grindhouse. I think I only saw 965,183 denials, so there is a chance! ! Real life prevents me from scanning every Kibble and Bit and have seen only a smattering of information regarding the property. Actually have not seen the movie yet....just basing it on the 2011 box office success alone.

Sorry If I came off pissy that movie is just the bane of my existance lol, and Murdy has been saying since it came out he has'nt seen and does not realy plan on seeing it, the only reason it was on the survey was cuz people asked for it, but I dont know how well it did on the survey if Murdy flat out denied it more then once.

I'm gonna sound crazy but I'm gonna bring it up again...

PARANORMAL ACTIVITY

If not Insidious, that's the only extremely successful horror film from 2011 that I can think of. Don't Be Afraid of the Dark isn't doable and neither is Final Destination (which oddly enough has a movie in a theme park and a movie came out in '11).

^well the person that asked said property not movie so there are other possibilities, and to be honest, I'm not sure how a paranormal activity maze could work.How would don't be afraid of the dark not work (I havnt seen it )

^probably haha, is it still in a thread somewhere? Or can you paste it

Im with DTH on PA and Ridesandstuff basicly when we tlaked about how it would work, basicly like Orlando's "Legendary Truth" house which was largly based on PA already there alot of effects they used that can be translated into a PA easily if I can find a video Ill post it.

Guys, when did Murdy ever deny Insidious as a possibility?

Also, AHS is cool, but its more of a drama than horror. Not enough unique characters.

We should brainstorm what kinds of locations can be considered "amusement" parks to the world's greatest carny.

Even if it was an original maze, Murdy must feel we have some chance of getting it. It's important to note that even the

original ideas from last year were based somewhere in either pop culture or HHN History. Otherwise, why make a "code name" for it at all?

Amusement parks:

Freak Show, Circus, Theme Park, Carnival, Jurassic Park, Zoo, Haunted House, Ghost Town, Universal Studios, Old Time Fairs, Atlantic City, Coney Island,

Don't call me out on any of these, i'm just jotting down possibilities. Let's get the ball rolling.

Im with you on AH more drama then Horror in my opion and I can't see it translated well, and kind of thinking about you do have a good point on JP.

[DTH316]

Now I'm not sure if Alice Cooper is Dante or Carpenter.

My original line of thinking was Carpenter = Prince of Darkness = Alice Cooper but this is pretty damn good evidence leaning toward Dante.

However, the letter D is supposed to be in the title of the maze but still, how hard is it to imagine...

Alice Cooper: Go to HELL!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Cooper_Goes_to_Hell

[Alice Cooper Goes to Hell is the ninth studio album by Alice Cooper, released in 1976. A sequel to Welcome to My Nightmare...]

This would clearly be the next step. Just have to look more into it.

[iLuvStabWounds]

Im with DTH on PA and Ridesandstuff basicly when we tlaked about how it would work, basicly like Orlando's "Legendary Truth" house which was largly based on PA already there alot of effects they used that can be translated into a PA easily if I can find a video Ill post it.

I can easily see PA working like the Legendary Truth with whole poltergeist effect, but I can't really see it happening since the franchise never actually showed the physical manifestation(s) of the spirit(s) haunting the protagonists, so they maze would be nothing but special effects and no scareactors. What could work, though, are the possessed characters, victims, and the occult worshippers seen in PA3, otherwise I don't see it being quite as effective as a maze based on Insidious, it's just a damned shame that Murdy said no to it!

P.S.

I'm all for team Insidious, I honestly think that Insidious would much better than PA because of variety of characters and elements seen, that film was practically made to be a maze for goodness sake!

btw the creators of Insidious have developed a new supernatural horror film titled "Sinister," it's set to be released early October of this year. The link for the trailer is posted below.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1922777/

So what do think, does this have potential at HHN this year or the next? Yes? No? Maybe?

[DireBrian]

I can easily see PA working like the Legendary Truth with whole poltergeist effect, but I can't really see it happening since the franchise never actually showed the physical manifestation(s) of the spirit(s) haunting the protagonists, so they maze would be nothing but special effects and no scareactors. What could work, though, are the possessed characters, victims, and the occult worshippers seen in PA3, otherwise I don't see it being quite as effective as a maze based on Insidious, it's just a damned shame that Murdy said no to it!

P.S.

I'm all for team Insidious, I honestly think that Insidious would much better than PA because of variety of characters and elements seen, that film was practically made to be a maze for goodness sake!

btw the creators of Insidious have developed a new supernatural horror film titled "Sinister," it's set to be released early October of this year. The link for the trailer is posted below.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1922777/

So what do think, does this have potential at HHN this year or the next? Yes? No? Maybe?

Absolutely. Figuring that the maze escallates the same way in which the movie did, you start in one house with a slightly disturbing aura to it, maybe the mom's nightmare bedroom with the creepy demon in the bedroom, another house with some children and other ghosts popping out every so often, then eventually you delve into the afterlife world of smoke and discoloration where you meet all sorts of horrible spirits. Then you reach the home with the girl who murdered her family and lastly end up at the demon's lair. That would work great.

As far as interesting characters, you have the demon, the demon sillhouette, the witch woman, the daughter who killed her family with the shotgun, all of the spirits who wandered through the afterlife, and the ghost children in the house.

I would honestly love to see this as a maze, the movie was scary in theaters and it would make a great maze concept. Any way that this could relate to Dante? or possibly Carptenter? Maybe John's saving this for last. We already know one maze hasn't been announced yet, figuring that they'll release 6 or more mazes this year to compete with last year.

I'm on Team Insidious.

Also, does anyone know anything about "Lords of Salem"? It was on the survey this year and with the collaboration with Zombie for the past 2 years, I wouldn't be surprised if Rob was using this to cross promote. Is it possible that this movie (or the original, since I hear it's a remake) has an amusement park in it? Could this be Dante?

[Trevler]

Paranormal Activity would make such a terrible, terrible maze. (Disclaimer though: I've only seen number 2). It was... aggressivly boring. I honestly don't understand how anyone was ever scared. OH NO! The door opened by itself! OH NO! The pool cleaner!

As for a Chucky maze, don't get your hopes up, John has gone on record on saying how hard it is to find enough little people, and after the problems they had with Chucky terror tram, I'd be VERY surprised to see Chucky return.

[iLuvStabWounds]

Absolutely. Figuring that the maze escallates the same way in which the movie did, you start in one house with a slightly disturbing aura to it, maybe the mom's nightmare bedroom with the creepy demon in the bedroom, another house with some children and other ghosts popping out every so often, then eventually you delve into the afterlife world of smoke and discoloration where you meet all sorts of horrible spirits. Then you reach the home with the girl who murdered her family and lastly end up at the demon's lair. That would work great.

As far as interesting characters, you have the demon, the demon sillhouette, the witch woman, the daughter who killed her family with the shotgun, all of the spirits who wandered through the afterlife, and the ghost children in the house.

I would honestly love to see this as a maze, the movie was scary in theaters and it would make a great maze concept. Any way that this could relate to Dante? or possibly Carptenter? Maybe John's saving this for last. We already know one maze hasn't been announced yet, figuring that they'll release 6 or more mazes this year to compete with last year.

I'm on Team Insidious.

Totally agree with you, when my brother and I first saw the movie we were like "this is totally going to be in HHN" especially at the opening scene prior to the credits where we get a 1st person walkthrough of the house. That scene would be excellent for the first part of the maze because the house itself had a very foreboding, 'insidious' ( ) ambience about it even though ghosts were lurking in the background oh so ominously. I would really be pissed if Murdy would pass it up for PA (even though later is already unlikely for the same reasons I posted above).

Now I'm not sure if Alice Cooper is Dante or Carpenter.

My original line of thinking was Carpenter = Prince of Darkness = Alice Cooper but this is pretty damn good evidence leaning toward Dante.

However, the letter D is supposed to be in the title of the maze but still, how hard is it to imagine...

Alice Cooper: Go to HELL!

http://en.wikipedia....er_Goes_to_Hell

[Alice Cooper Goes to Hell is the ninth studio album by Alice Cooper, released in 1976. A sequel to Welcome to My Nightmare...]

This would clearly be the next step. Just have to look more into it.

In all honesty, I don't really want to see Alice again. I have to admit, Welcome to My Nightmare was a very enjoyable, entertaining, and fun venue that took me off gaurd because I was placing very low expectations for it. But if Murdy's going to the same type of treatment with another album, it'll probably be the same as WtmN even if they use different songs/scenes. Besides, I don't want a funny-scary type of maze at HHNH (Knott's specializes in those types of mazes), I wanna see scary-terrifying maze, either based on a good horror movie or original material done HHNO-style.

Edited June 15, 2012 by iLuvStabWounds

[the ghost]

Two things that popped into my head... Bigger than a car got me thinking Walking Dead as an RV is the main vehicle and also popped up in Florida. This also got me thinking, but it seems like a while ago(last year) when there were Walking Dead rumors that WD was going to be on the TT. Probably not since it seems like Florida will get a house as well, but it seems to make more sense there.

Is it weird Trick R Treat is starting to become a possibility in my mind?

At the December 2003 Christies auction of Playboy archives, the 1967 Vargas painting "Trick or Treat" sold for $71,600.^[5]

Liposuction made me think of the animal hoarding scene. Animal hoarding makes me think of a large group of animals... in Trick R Treat there is a large group of werewolves. It also says that there will be scaractor animals(but some will be props) and scaractors would play the werewolves. There is also a carnival scene where there are no clowns, but I imagine in the room (if this happens) the principal dressed as a vampire will show up. The motivational art sort of made me think of the comic books... not exactly motivational, but he said a dark version of the motivational art on twitter. Maybe each room could be transitioned with some sort of comic book style art... that way there could be transitions(similar to the holiday maze at HHN Florida) this is all just what I am thinking of. Of course the Dante part and the D don't fit... but there you are. Also Trick R Treat could have some sort of subname... such as with the Thing Assimilation. Just random ideas... play with them if you'd like.

We need to figure out animals/countries... if we do that we're golden. Excorcist seems likely and Alice seems somewhat likely as does walking dead. The other are a crapshoot so here is my "evidence" for TrT but we need a few more hints... but good work so far you guys!

[DireBrian]

The animal hoarding is Going to end up being Human Bodies. Like animals. The office is going to be some sick corporation harvesting humans for food or blood or something. Dante is going to be an original concept. Murdy has been very selective about the details he's listed for this one and he hasn't said anything about existing franchises/sequels or if they've vet been to HHN before.

He said the source material is based on the inferno, so this would be my best guess for Alice's return

[DireBrian]

Would a city or state park qualify as an "amusement" park by the way? Like Central Park in New York or maybe Yellowstone park.

What about a trailer park, you can find amusement in those. We all know one franchise that takes part in one of those.

Can John be pulling a carny trick on us?

Edited June 16, 2012 by DireBrian

[DTH316]

The new maze 4, ("Quigley,") is said to be a more well known movie than "Amok" and even scarier.

Good job, Murdy! I suppose haha

Also (don't know if anyone ever looked into this) but Burt Reynolds and Clint Eastwood were fired from Universal on the same day. One of Murdy's hints were the person on the Quigley list he was referring to was fired on the same day as someone else on the Quigley list. So therefore, either one of their careers point towards this maze BUT the film he is referring to, neither of them starred in.

So start scouring Burt Reynolds and Clint Eastwood's IMDb pages folks!

Edited June 16, 2012 by DTH316

[Freak]

The more I read Murdy's tweets, the more I think Silent Hill will be apart of this year's event. He has said that the movie (He did specify movie) that is currently maze #4 has a really creepy soundtrack. He said that one of the pieces in the soundtrack sounds like a coin scraping across a piano. Coming from someone who listens to the Silent Hill soundtracks quite a bit, it sounds something like I would hear from that sort of ambiance.

Silent Hill: Revelation comes to theaters this Halloween. That would be a great promotion for the film. Add on to the amusement park scene speculation...

Hmmmmmm.....

[Ridesandstuff]

I don't think so, The original film wasn't very well received

[DTH316]

Maze 4 wasn't one of the ones with the amusement park, was it? I know Dante was one of them but I don't remember what the other one was.

And yup, about 2 or 3 pages back, Silent Hill was on my short list of horror films properties with amusement parks. I definitely see it as a possibility this year.

More fuel to the "Dante is Silent Hill" fire?

http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6837

Read that

Edited June 17, 2012 by DTH316

[Freak]

^I never realized that Silent Hill drew some inspiration from Dante's Inferno! Okay, let's recap from what we have from the cheat sheet:

Maze #3: "Dante" - Inspired by the allegory "The Inferno" by Dante; it is implyied that Hieronymus Bosch will have some inspiration in this as well.

-Based on an existing artistic creation (i.e. movie, game, TV show, album, book, etc.)

-One scene will feature the scent of cotton candy.

-The words "Dante" and "Inferno" do not appear in the title of the maze, but the letter "D" does.

-While researching the maze, John Googled "motivational art", "animal hoarding", "doomed Franklin expedition", "Florence Nightingale", "Vargas Girl", "Las Vegas Buffet", and "Liposuction".

Let's see, artistic creation: It's a very popular video game series AND has a second movie coming out this Fall. One scene with the scent of cotton candy would be the amusement park. The letter "D" could appear in the suptitle of the maze. Finally, the images that Murdy researched looks like they could easily be used in a Silent Hill maze.

I think it's possible we may have cracked a code.

[Grindhousehero13]

Would a city or state park qualify as an "amusement" park by the way? Like Central Park in New York or maybe Yellowstone park.

What about a trailer park, you can find amusement in those. We all know one franchise that takes part in one of those.

Can John be pulling a carny trick on us?

not realy.......................

The more I read Murdy's tweets, the more I think Silent Hill will be apart of this year's event. He has said that the movie (He did specify movie) that is currently maze #4 has a really creepy soundtrack. He said that one of the pieces in the soundtrack sounds like a coin scraping across a piano. Coming from someone who listens to the Silent Hill soundtracks quite a bit, it sounds something like I would hear from that sort of ambiance.

Silent Hill: Revelation comes to theaters this Halloween. That would be a great promotion for the film. Add on to the amusement park scene speculation...

Hmmmmmm.....

YES YES!

I think Freak and DTH may be onto something!!!

[Grindhousehero13]

^I never realized that Silent Hill drew some inspiration from Dante's Inferno! Okay, let's recap from what we have from the cheat sheet:

Let's see, artistic creation: It's a very popular video game series AND has a second movie coming out this Fall. One scene with the scent of cotton candy would be the amusement park. The letter "D" could appear in the suptitle of the maze. Finally, the images that Murdy researched looks like they could easily be used in a Silent Hill maze.

I think it's possible we may have cracked a code.

Florence Nightingale=Nurses famouse monster from Silent hill nurses!

[Ridesandstuff]

Even though I'm a little on the fence about silent hill, I guess ill add feel to the fire. In the game and the movies the nurses frequently use scalpels and syringes as weapons, two common instruments in liposuction.

[AsylumSB]

Interesting. With Silent Hill 2 (the film) based on the Silent Hill 3 (the game), the locales of the game include a church, shopping mall, amusement park. and hospital. There was a twitter post by someone who acknowledged the disturbing music and that one of the monsters was without sight in the original movie. Murdy's reply was something along the lines of (paraphrasing) "that was not the movie he was watching while prepping for the maze". If it's the new Silent Hill that is maze #3, his response would technicallly be right.

Edited June 17, 2012 by AsylumSB

[AgentOfChaos93]

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Edited June 21, 2012 by AgentOfChaos93

[DTH316]

Here's the rundown boys (and um... one or two of you girls lol): *

Code 1: The Exorcist - 85% match. Poltergeist - 15% match.

Code 2: The Walking Dead - 100% match.

Code 3: Silent Hill - 100% match.

Code 4: Alice Cooper - %100 match.

Quigley is the only one we've yet to crack since there's barely been any other hints. And also, guys, Murdy was watching a movie for maze #4, which is in correspondence to Quigley. So the music clues wouldn't match Silent Hill. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I read it earlier in the day but that's what my memory tells me).

But other than that, it appears for the most part, we have 100% matches that link particular properties to codenames. As to whether or not the fact that they are 100% matches will matter is yet to be seen. But that DOES put those properties on a VERY short list for each codename. And if these matches are correct, these codenames were 10 times easier than last year's. I literally did a total of maybe 15 minutes of research while I was bored in the last 2 days, as where last year, I probably spent at the very least 2 hours before I went to sleep maybe 2 or 3 nights a week for a month (that adds up to at least 10 hours).

I'm having a hard time remembering which codename Murdy said a property came out in 2011 though. Can ANYONE remember which one that was for?

* Codenames weren't specified for a few reasons. 1) when people research the codenames, our forum pops up, making it easier for them to get the easy answer we worked on getting 2) if people are going to just read our page and not participate in discussion, then their ass can shift through the pages to look for the answers instead of me giving it to them 3) my own personal stakes in winning the contest! [duh]

UPDATE:

I thought I'd just add onto what we have here so far since I went back and checked on some things.

- The 2011 property wasn't specified to any maze. Just "one of the mazes."

- The two mazes with amusement parks weren't specified either. Just "two of the mazes."

[Glad I got those 2 settled -- those were bugging me]

Exorcist may be a pretty good match at 85% but I think I might have to drop that number down some. Murdy's 8-ball answer in regards to the Exorcist was: "outlook not so good." The clues fit perfectly but this answer is just too big to avoid. Answer isn't a straight "no" and maybe at the time, he thought the property would back away or something so I suppose that's a possibility it could be coming. I don't know, I'm starting to think I should look elsewhere for that codename.

So, what about one of the mazes I was begging for for the last 2 years, The Descent? Here's 2 answers that make the outlook VERY good.

@HorrorNights do any of the maze properties have all female protagonists?

reply hazy, try again

@HorrorNights do any of the mazes contain stalactites?

concentrate and ask again

The Descent's main cast is all women. Stalactites are those things hanging down in caves. Why not the straight answer of no? And even if it's not a straight no, why is the outlook "very good?" Well, lemme show you why...

@HorrorNights Are there any mazes which are based on existing franchises that aren't films?

reply hazy, try again

@HorrorNights will there be any repeats?

Concentrate and ask again

@HorrorNights Will Alice Cooper be involved at all this year?

Better not tell you now

@HorrorNights Will we get a Walking Dead maze this year?

concentrate and ask again

These 4 questions pertain to the Walking Dead and Alice Cooper, mazes we have 100% connected to codenames. The answers are IDENTICAL to the questions pertaining to The Descent. So The Exorcist has a negative outlook connected to it BUT The Descent related questions don't? If it wasn't coming, we'd get an answer similar to this:

@HorrorNights is the movie 'Insidious' somewhat incorporated with this years event?

very doubtful

It's a negative and straight forward. How come the Descent related questions don't get the same treatment and get the "maneuver away from a real answer to avoid letting it spill" answers like The Walking Dead and Alice Cooper do? From what I recall, Murdy was always fairly negative to The Descent happening in previous years, but this year it's a bit different. Also, The Descent can't replace the Exorcist codename, unfortunately, since the clue's don't match.

I shall look more into this... afterall... there is a sixth maze without a codename...

Edited June 17, 2012 by DTH316

[AsylumSB]

Quigley is the only one we've yet to crack since there's barely been any other hints. And also, guys, Murdy was watching a movie for maze #4, which is in correspondence to Quigley. So the music clues wouldn't match Silent Hill. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I read it earlier in the day but that's what my memory tells me).

@HorrorNights is the movie 'Insidious' somewhat incorporated with this years event?

very doubtful

You are correct, the music cues do appear to belong to #4 (Quigley); Murdy denied #4 being affliated with Silent Hill. Overall, it seems he cannot straight out deny SH for #3 in any capacity similar to what he has done with other properties. "I can't play the game" Ha Ha...either Silent Hill is overly obvious or John Murdy is back to his old ways of "mind fudging".

Just a tad off topic, it appears that John Murdy has met with one of Insidious's producers recently. Since the sequel has just been announced, I wonder if the property was shelved due to rights for something in development. This might allow for a possible HHN tie-in later on. Finally was able to see the film last night (thanks Redbox, no thanks Netflix). Great little film that could, very inexpensive to make with decent results. The last act appeared to be a bit shoddy, but well done overall. I now can see why people were on board with the speculation that the film would be used at HHN this year (and the "music cue" clue would fit). In a lot of the scenes, it almost felt like you were being led through a maze!

[Ridesandstuff]

^maybe he didn't meet with them for insidious, but a maze for sinister.